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Post by Power Ranger on Apr 10, 2023 3:38:37 GMT
g our favourite franchises and Disney is the biggest culprit?
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Post by yggdrasil on Apr 10, 2023 11:10:21 GMT
older viewers probably said the same when black people started to have less menial roles in films, they will always change to reflect society as it changes. You can't stop it any more than you can stop society changing. These are big multi nationals, they don't make any decisions for fun or to be "right on" they are purely business decisions based on getting the biggest audience reach and this for them works, they may lose one viewer who hates it but gain 2 more. Market research has obviously shown it to work.
With superhero and Disney predominantly aimed at younger viewers they will be far more acceptable of the changes occurring around them.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2023 11:24:15 GMT
Politics have always been in movies and tv shows and other forms of entertainment, but i think the difference is that in the past it was generally done in a more sutle way, but now its generally very in your face and feel like a lecture.
And it was not as black as white, if you are on one side you are good, if you are on the other side you are bad. In the past it showed that there are good and bad people on both sides. They generally don`t seem to be doing that anymore.
But also i have noticed that a lot of the complaining some people have with modern movies is that they have more women or minorities in them, and the white straight man is not always the lead, which is just a stupid thing to complain about.
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Post by PaulsLaugh on Apr 10, 2023 12:38:33 GMT
No more than Hollywood ruins everything else. Why do you need so much social conformity?
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Post by yggdrasil on Apr 11, 2023 16:19:39 GMT
No more than Hollywood ruins everything else. Why do you need so much social conformity? Nothing worse than a whiny ageing millennial. |
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Post by thorshairspray on Apr 17, 2023 11:44:23 GMT
Politics have always been in movies and tv shows and other forms of entertainment, but i think the difference is that in the past it was generally done in a more sutle way, but now its generally very in your face and feel like a lecture. And it was not as black as white, if you are on one side you are good, if you are on the other side you are bad. In the past it showed that there are good and bad people on both sides. They generally don`t seem to be doing that anymore. But also i have noticed that a lot of the complaining some people have with modern movies is that they have more women or minorities in them, and the white straight man is not always the lead, which is just a stupid thing to complain about. Trek is a good example, it used to present ideas as ideas and allowed the viewer to judge their worth. Now it just beats you around the face with identity politics crap. |
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Post by thorshairspray on Apr 17, 2023 11:48:27 GMT
older viewers probably said the same when black people started to have less menial roles in films, they will always change to reflect society as it changes. You can't stop it any more than you can stop society changing. These are big multi nationals, they don't make any decisions for fun or to be "right on" they are purely business decisions based on getting the biggest audience reach and this for them works, they may lose one viewer who hates it but gain 2 more. Market research has obviously shown it to work. With superhero and Disney predominantly aimed at younger viewers they will be far more acceptable of the changes occurring around them. Except we are seeing the opposite. Phase 4 of the MCU has been a financial disaster. The viewing figures for stuff like Rings of Power are abysmal. A whole host of woke shite has flopped and been cancelled. We will see the results fully in a year of two given the time it takes to make films, but the leftist shite is pretty much done, since Disney and Amazon are losing money over it. Watch Indy 5 do the typical bait and switch and flop hard. |
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Post by yggdrasil on Apr 17, 2023 11:55:03 GMT
older viewers probably said the same when black people started to have less menial roles in films, they will always change to reflect society as it changes. You can't stop it any more than you can stop society changing. These are big multi nationals, they don't make any decisions for fun or to be "right on" they are purely business decisions based on getting the biggest audience reach and this for them works, they may lose one viewer who hates it but gain 2 more. Market research has obviously shown it to work. With superhero and Disney predominantly aimed at younger viewers they will be far more acceptable of the changes occurring around them. Except we are seeing the opposite. Phase 4 of the MCU has been a financial disaster. The viewing figures for stuff like Rings of Power are abysmal. A whole host of woke shite has flopped and been cancelled. We will see the results fully in a year of two given the time it takes to make films, but the leftist shite is pretty much done, since Disney and Amazon are losing money over it. Watch Indy 5 do the typical bait and switch and flop hard. MCU? Indy 5? |
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Post by Power Ranger on Apr 17, 2023 20:57:29 GMT
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Post by Stammerhead on Apr 17, 2023 23:36:30 GMT
I just finished watching Ant-Man and the Wasp Quantumania and thoroughly enjoyed it.
Mind you, it is about a nice white family battling against an evil black man and his minions so perhaps it’s the right sort of politics.
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Post by PaulsLaugh on Apr 23, 2023 4:17:56 GMT
Politics have always been in movies and tv shows and other forms of entertainment, but i think the difference is that in the past it was generally done in a more sutle way, but now its generally very in your face and feel like a lecture. And it was not as black as white, if you are on one side you are good, if you are on the other side you are bad. In the past it showed that there are good and bad people on both sides. They generally don`t seem to be doing that anymore. But also i have noticed that a lot of the complaining some people have with modern movies is that they have more women or minorities in them, and the white straight man is not always the lead, which is just a stupid thing to complain about. Trek is a good example, it used to present ideas as ideas and allowed the viewer to judge their worth. Now it just beats you around the face with identity politics crap. That's not what folks said when Kirk kissed Uhura.  Gene Roddenberry went out of his way to be Woke back the 1960s. Star Trek premiered in 1966, the Civil Rights Act that abruptly ended 70 years of red state fascism was signed in 1965. Loving vs VA that ended forced racial marriage laws in these fascist states happened in 1967. |
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Post by thorshairspray on Apr 23, 2023 9:19:26 GMT
Trek is a good example, it used to present ideas as ideas and allowed the viewer to judge their worth. Now it just beats you around the face with identity politics crap. That's not what folks said when Kirk kissed Uhura. Gene Roddenberry went out of his way to be Woke back the 1960s. Star Trek premiered in 1966, the Civil Rights Act that abruptly ended 70 years of red state fascism was signed in 1965. Loving vs VA that ended forced racial marriage laws in these fascist states happened in 1967. The point of Trek was that humanity was past all its petty differences. You can draw whatever from that scene. It wasn't expressly telling you anything. And you're going back nearly 60 years for an example. The same one you lot always use to justify how shite and expressly left wing modern trek is. |
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Post by PaulsLaugh on Apr 23, 2023 9:24:36 GMT
That's not what folks said when Kirk kissed Uhura. Gene Roddenberry went out of his way to be Woke back the 1960s. Star Trek premiered in 1966, the Civil Rights Act that abruptly ended 70 years of red state fascism was signed in 1965. Loving vs VA that ended forced racial marriage laws in these fascist states happened in 1967. The point of Trek was that humanity was past all its petty differences. You can draw whatever from that scene. It wasn't expressly telling you anything. And you're going back nearly 60 years for an example. The same one you lot always use to justify how shite and expressly left wing modern trek is. That's not what conservatives were saying in 1966. Again, when this kiss occurred, it was still illegal to do so in many parts of the USA, so this was back when being Woke was against the fucking law. |
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Post by thorshairspray on Apr 23, 2023 9:27:35 GMT
The point of Trek was that humanity was past all its petty differences. You can draw whatever from that scene. It wasn't expressly telling you anything. And you're going back nearly 60 years for an example. The same one you lot always use to justify how shite and expressly left wing modern trek is. That's not what conservatives were saying in 1966. Again, when this kiss occurred, it was still illegal to do so in many parts of the USA, so this was back when being Woke was against the fucking law. Frankly, I don't really care what conservatives were saying 57 years ago. |
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Post by PaulsLaugh on Apr 23, 2023 9:33:23 GMT
That's not what conservatives were saying in 1966. Again, when this kiss occurred, it was still illegal to do so in many parts of the USA, so this was back when being Woke was against the fucking law. Frankly, I don't really care what conservatives were saying 57 years ago. Then why do you behave as if you do want things to return to 57 years ago, because I can guarantee you would have bitched that this was going too far for 1966. |
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