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Post by Harold of Whoa on Aug 4, 2018 4:07:22 GMT
Nice performance by Jason Clarke as Ted Kennedy, who is on screen most of the movie. You even feel sympathy for him at certain points, not so much for the incident in question, but for the pressure of the great forces acting upon the young man. Bruce Dern does a pretty impressive turn for somebody who barely says a word and hardly moves. The story is told pretty compellingly (you may find it hard to believe the depravity at some points.)
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Post by Flying Monkeys on Aug 21, 2018 18:29:24 GMT
Just become available as The Senator. Will give go, thanks.
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Post by Harold of Whoa on Aug 23, 2018 22:41:58 GMT
Just become available as The Senator. Will give go, thanks. They changed the title for overseas distribution? Interesting. Out of curiosity, as an intelligent and politically engaged Brit, had you ever heard the name Chappaquiddick and does it mean anything to you if mentioned in conversation?
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Post by Flying Monkeys on Aug 24, 2018 19:24:10 GMT
They changed the title for overseas distribution? Interesting. Out of curiosity, as an intelligent and politically engaged Brit, had you ever heard the name Chappaquiddick and does it mean anything to you if mentioned in conversation? Yes absolutely, I already knew (and have for a long time) that it was the place where the bridge was where he launched his car from and the poor passenger died. Not sure how I knew this, but ask any non-grunting Brit (*) and they will probably know. * Not a huge segment of the market.
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Post by Flying Monkeys on Sept 5, 2018 18:57:20 GMT
Harold of Whoa, I have just put this on. If it is crap, I will hold you responsible and demand restitution.
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Post by Harold of Whoa on Sept 6, 2018 21:23:13 GMT
Harold of Whoa , I have just put this on. If it is crap, I will hold you responsible and demand restitution. No way that it rates as crap, so I am not concerned about that. If nothing else, it will leave you wanting answers to the following questions: 1) Is there any possible way under the sun that concussion, shock, or other traumatic symptoms could have led to Kennedy's documented behavior in the immediate aftermath of the accident (i.e. going back to his room to sleep and having brunch with some folks before reporting it to police)? 2) How did Kennedy get out of the car when MJK could not? 3) Does being a liberal politician get you more tail than being rich, or vice versa?
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Post by Flying Monkeys on Sept 6, 2018 22:34:08 GMT
No way that it rates as crap, so I am not concerned about that. If nothing else, it will leave you wanting answers to the following questions: 1) Is there any possible way under the sun that concussion, shock, or other traumatic symptoms could have led to Kennedy's documented behavior in the immediate aftermath of the accident (i.e. going back to his room to sleep and having brunch with some folks before reporting it to police)? 2) How did Kennedy get out of the car when MJK could not? 3) Does being a liberal politician get you more tail than being rich, or vice versa? No, it was good. 1. No, there is no way. 2. Don't know. He either rolled down the window (meaning he knew there was a way out of the car), or he wasn't in the car when it went off the bridge (i.e. he jumped).
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Post by Harold of Whoa on Sept 6, 2018 23:03:53 GMT
2. Don't know. He either rolled down the window (meaning he knew there was a way out of the car), or he wasn't in the car when it went off the bridge (i.e. he jumped). The most compelling theory to me is that he wasn't in the car and wasn't driving at the time. As suggested by the BBC a few years back, and in an even earlier book on the subject, some speculate that he got out of the car and told Mary Jo to drive away after they encountered the cop, perhaps because he didn't want to be caught driving drunk or caught with a woman not his wife (a fear enhanced by the fact that they had just been shagging). Kennedy gets out, MJK drives off and, not being familiar with the island, the car or the crazy no-guard-rail bridge, drives into the water. From Wikipedia:
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Post by Colin Sibthorpe on Sept 7, 2018 1:00:44 GMT
2. Don't know. He either rolled down the window (meaning he knew there was a way out of the car), or he wasn't in the car when it went off the bridge (i.e. he jumped). The most compelling theory to me is that he wasn't in the car and wasn't driving at the time. As suggested by the BBC a few years back, and in an even earlier book on the subject, some speculate that he got out of the car and told Mary Jo to drive away after they encountered the cop, perhaps because he didn't want to be caught driving drunk or caught with a woman not his wife (a fear enhanced by the fact that they had just been shagging). Kennedy gets out, MJK drives off and, not being familiar with the island, the car or the crazy no-guard-rail bridge, drives into the water. From Wikipedia: This theory lets Kennedy off the hook and for that alone I refuse to believe it. But you can also pick plenty of holes in it without relying on prejudice.
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Post by Harold of Whoa on Sept 7, 2018 1:47:04 GMT
This theory lets Kennedy off the hook and for that alone I refuse to believe it. But you can also pick plenty of holes in it without relying on prejudice. I suppose the strongest counter-evidence might be the fact that he could have confessed to the actual scenario and it would have been less damaging to his reputation than the bizarre concoction that his spin team cobbled together. I still might be inclined to buy it in partial. I think he knew she had wrecked in the water immediately, fucked around with trying to get her out, went back to the house and got his crew, and they worked on it some more, then he went back to the hotel and went to bed still trying to concoct a story, maybe even still trying to decide if he would admit to knowing about the accident. It doesn't let him off the hook for me.
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Post by Colin Sibthorpe on Sept 7, 2018 1:53:52 GMT
I agree, your theory doesn't let him off the hook. But if she was driving and he had returned to the party, that would. That's what I could never accept.
Outside the Hitler/Stalin/Mao Tse Tung league, that man is one of the most evil politicians of the 20th century. I can believe anything bad of him, nothing good.
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Post by Flying Monkeys on Sept 7, 2018 6:57:48 GMT
I suppose the strongest counter-evidence might be the fact that he could have confessed to the actual scenario and it would have been less damaging to his reputation than the bizarre concoction that his spin team cobbled together. Exactly. Why say you were driving (and therefore responsible for someone's death) when you weren't? Doesn't make sense. I think he knew she had wrecked in the water immediately, fucked around with trying to get her out, went back to the house and got his crew, and they worked on it some more, then he went back to the hotel and went to bed still trying to concoct a story, maybe even still trying to decide if he would admit to knowing about the accident. A bit more believable, but same answer as above. Why not just say that rather than say he was driving? Is it known for a fact that there were no open windows or doors when the car was found? In other words, no obvious way he got out of the car if he was in it?
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Post by dsbeadle on May 16, 2024 12:15:48 GMT
It’s like the prime example of a movie that is solid.
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Post by politicidal1 on May 16, 2024 13:14:59 GMT
I remember liking it. It is kind of funny how the show “Succession” did a variation of this incident, considering the Kennedy family behave like the Logan clan did on that show.
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Post by bomtombadil on May 16, 2024 13:16:42 GMT
Hmmm, since Chupacabra means goat sucker, what does Chappaquiddick mean, I wonder. 🤔
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