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Post by yggdrasil on Dec 29, 2019 10:54:38 GMT
Read the book when it came out and enjoyed it. The film is very enjoyable and better than The Shining imho, only spoiled in the 3rd act when it veers away from Stephen King's book to pay homage to the first film.
Well worth a watch.
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Post by Flying Monkeys on Mar 11, 2020 19:00:42 GMT
Some interesting ideas in there, but quite a lot of shoe-horning a new story into the old one to sell more copies through association. Ultimately, it has nothing to do with the first story, really.
Still, it's interesting enough - and a lot more interesting than the completely boring Kubrik-spells-dullness first one.
Given the lack of explanation about what 'they' were, I feel Mr. King is lining us up for a sequel.
6/10.
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Post by cryptoflovecraft on Jul 6, 2020 15:57:52 GMT
I'm surprised by how much I liked this one. First off, I'm a huge fan of Kubrick's The Shining (I enjoyed the book too - it's probably my favorite King novel) so I had mixed feelings about a sequel esp. one that takes place forty years later. But this film has a great story and strong, likable characters. Little Danny Torrance growing up to be a druggie and alcoholic makes perfect sense considering his harrowing childhood, his unwanted "gift", and his father's history. Rose the Hat makes for a great villain but what was she and the other cultists supposed to be? Humans, vampires, "shiners"/psychics (like Danny and the little girl) - only evil ones, or something else entirely? ....The final third of the film is a real treat for fans of Kubrick's horror masterpiece. The filmmakers convincingly recreate scenes and characters from the 1980 film for an over the top finale/homage. Overall, I'd say Doctor Sleep is mandatory viewing for fans of King, Kubrick and/or supernatural horror films in general. It's Near Dark meets The Sixth Sense meets The Shining. A solid 8/10.
BTW, neither one of you liked Kubrick's film, I take it? Color me shocked...;-(
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Post by yggdrasil on Jul 6, 2020 16:31:06 GMT
I'm surprised by how much I liked this one. First off, I'm a huge fan of Kubrick's The Shining (I enjoyed the book too - it's probably my favorite King novel) so I had mixed feelings about a sequel esp. one that takes place forty years later. But this film has a great story and strong, likable characters. Little Danny Torrance growing up to be a druggie and alcoholic makes perfect sense considering his harrowing childhood, his unwanted "gift", and his father's history. Rose the Hat makes for a great villain but what was she and the other cultists supposed to be? Humans, vampires, "shiners"/psychics (like Danny and the little girl) - only evil ones, or something else entirely? ....The final third of the film is a real treat for fans of Kubrick's horror masterpiece. The filmmakers convincingly recreate scenes and characters from the 1980 film for an over the top finale/homage. Overall, I'd say Doctor Sleep is mandatory viewing for fans of King, Kubrick and/or supernatural horror films in general. It's Near Dark meets The Sixth Sense meets The Shining. A solid 8/10. BTW, neither one of you liked Kubrick's film, I take it? Color me shocked...;-( I thought the film okay, but nothing more. Nicholson's worst "hammy" instincts were wrongly indulged by Kubrick. I am a fan of Kubrick's earlier stuff but always felt this one way overrated. King always hated the shining himself it's important to remember, and they changed the end of that from the book as well. If you respect a writer and like his work and buy the rights then why not make the film as the writer intended? Changing the material for purely financial reasons never works out that great. "Sleep" is a good film, but should have stuck to the book. |
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Post by Flying Monkeys on Jul 6, 2020 16:54:02 GMT
BTW, neither one of you liked Kubrick's film, I take it? Color me shocked...;-( I'm not a fan. The only thing I've seen by him that I positively liked was the first half of Full Metal Jacket. Doctor Strangelove - not much. 2001 - okay, bit dull. The Shining - okay. A Clockwork Orange - absolute disgrace and a travesty to the book. FMJ 2nd half - the sets are so laughable that they totally ruin the film. It becomes obvious why so many camera angles are kept so low - so you can't see the crappy set and East London over the wall. This becomes very distracting. Would have been good if it wasn't for that. |
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Post by cryptoflovecraft on Jul 6, 2020 17:55:23 GMT
King always hated the shining himself it's important to remember, and they changed the end of that from the book as well. If you respect a writer and like his work and buy the rights then why not make the film as the writer intended? Changing the material for purely financial reasons never works out that great. It was necessary to change it. What works in a book doesn't always work in cinema. It would've been impossible for Kubrick to fit the entire novel into a two and a half hour movie. He left out the unworkable parts and added some of his own ideas (e.g., the girls in the hallway, the hedge maze, etc) and essentially reinterpreted King's novel and I think it was for the better. The Shining miniseries (1997) is a faithful adaptation of the novel and parts of it drag because of its faithfulness (not to mention it has some cheesy special effects).... Boring parts and all, I actually enjoyed the miniseries but it pales in comparison to Kubrick's wonderful film. |
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Post by cryptoflovecraft on Jul 6, 2020 18:00:37 GMT
BTW, neither one of you liked Kubrick's film, I take it? Color me shocked...;-( A Clockwork Orange - absolute disgrace and a travesty to the book. I absolutely love A Clockwork Orange! ![[shock]](http://storage.proboards.com/6870873/images/SCHwyAGkDGvzzCDRagPp.gif) |
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Post by Flying Monkeys on Jul 6, 2020 19:04:35 GMT
A Clockwork Orange - absolute disgrace and a travesty to the book. I absolutely love A Clockwork Orange! Have you read the book? |
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Post by yggdrasil on Jul 6, 2020 19:22:35 GMT
BTW, neither one of you liked Kubrick's film, I take it? Color me shocked...;-( I'm not a fan. The only thing I've seen by him that I positively liked was the first half of Full Metal Jacket. Doctor Strangelove - not much. 2001 - okay, bit dull. The Shining - okay. A Clockwork Orange - absolute disgrace and a travesty to the book. FMJ 2nd half - the sets are so laughable that they totally ruin the film. It becomes obvious why so many camera angles are kept so low - so you can't see the crappy set and East London over the wall. This becomes very distracting. Would have been good if it wasn't for that. Disagree on Strangelove, adored it but I am a big Sellers fan. What about "Paths Of Glory" and "Spartacus"? The 70s stuff was okay but a bit of a disappointment after the 60s peak. A Clockwork Orange is a difficult one as it has aged very badly. McDowell was great but it !ay have been more interesting if Lindsay Anderson had directed it as they worked so well together. Could never make my mind up on the book, the "language" problem had you forever referring to the glossary although I only struggled through it once when I was about 13. Should probably give it another go. |
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Post by yggdrasil on Jul 6, 2020 19:24:13 GMT
King always hated the shining himself it's important to remember, and they changed the end of that from the book as well. If you respect a writer and like his work and buy the rights then why not make the film as the writer intended? Changing the material for purely financial reasons never works out that great. It was necessary to change it. What works in a book doesn't always work in cinema. It would've been impossible for Kubrick to fit the entire novel into a two and a half hour movie. He left out the unworkable parts and added some of his own ideas (e.g., the girls in the hallway, the hedge maze, etc) and essentially reinterpreted King's novel and I think it was for the better. The Shining miniseries (1997) is a faithful adaptation of the novel and parts of it drag because of its faithfulness (not to mention it has some cheesy special effects).... Boring parts and all, I actually enjoyed the miniseries but it pales in comparison to Kubrick's wonderful film. Have you seen "Room 237"? That film gets a lot of crazies obsessed. |
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Post by cryptoflovecraft on Jul 6, 2020 20:23:24 GMT
I absolutely love A Clockwork Orange! Have you read the book? I haven't read the book but I do own a copy of it (hopefully, I'll read it some day). The movie ending is different than the book ending from what I've heard. |
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Post by cryptoflovecraft on Jul 6, 2020 20:25:53 GMT
Have you seen "Room 237"? That film gets a lot of crazies obsessed. No, but I've heard about it. I'm not too big on the Kubrick conspiracy theories...I just love his films. |
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Post by Flying Monkeys on Jul 7, 2020 7:45:36 GMT
I haven't read the book but I do own a copy of it (hopefully, I'll read it some day). The movie ending is different than the book ending from what I've heard. I think the 'love it or hate it' opinion on A Clockwork Orange boils simply down to that - if you came to the book first, you'll hate the film, if the other way round, you'll love the film. I've never come across two artistic works about the same story that are so polarising. Strange, really. |
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Post by Flying Monkeys on Jul 7, 2020 7:48:26 GMT
The Shining miniseries (1997) is a faithful adaptation of the novel and parts of it drag because of its faithfulness Wait, a Stephen King book that has 400 pages of filler in among the 200 pages of story....? How unusual. |
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Post by Flying Monkeys on Jul 7, 2020 7:57:12 GMT
Disagree on Strangelove, adored it but I am a big Sellers fan. What about "Paths Of Glory" and "Spartacus"? The 70s stuff was okay but a bit of a disappointment after the 60s peak. A Clockwork Orange is a difficult one as it has aged very badly. McDowell was great but it !ay have been more interesting if Lindsay Anderson had directed it as they worked so well together. Could never make my mind up on the book, the "language" problem had you forever referring to the glossary although I only struggled through it once when I was about 13. Should probably give it another go. It does take a while to learn the language, but once you've got it and can read it without having to look words up, it flows with a masterful metre and is an absolute joy to read. It reminds me of The Raven. Both have a gothic feel with a lively metre that keeps them moving along at a very satisfying pace. Love 'em both. |
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