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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2021 14:10:46 GMT
Sorry, just can't agree with you, the whole Roger Moore period was a pox on the series, he can't act and the scripts became far too camp and filled with shit one liners. Like "Dr. Who" I'm guessing he is the one you grew up with so that's why you have an affinity with that period., yes there were some great set pieces, but that's always been the Bond film's greatest strength anyway, the whole sense of genuine danger and Bond as a stone killer was lost during that period and replaced with bad kiddie friendly nonsense. And let's not forget "Moonraker", the biggest load of bollocks ever given the Bond name and a dreadfully poor attempt to cash in on the whole kiddie "Star Wars" phase Hollywood was going through. It's the best of Roger Moore's output, certainly, but that's not a high bar. How you could think it better than "From Russia With Love" "Dr. No" "OHMSS" or "Casino Royal" is beyond me. Have a rant, why don't you? Yes, I grew up with Live & Let Die, The Man With The Golden Gun and The Spy Who Loved Me. I was bored with the trilby hats and CIA nonsense of the end of the Connery period - dreary scripts, dreary locations, always some SMERSH or SPECTRE or other stupidly acronymed bunch of idiots in a volcano - as if - plotting to <yawn> take over the world. Along came these Moores and they were a breath of fresh air - they were fun, dammit! Fantastic locations with blue skies, plausible plots (drug dealer, assassin, etc) and a sense on non-seriousness that was fantastic for a small boy. Who cares about the content? All that matters with any art is how it makes you feel - and those three films made this goggle-eyed kid alive with excitement! Going to see the new Bond was a MASSIVE event at that time of my life. From Russia With Love is very good but cold. In my top 5 though. Dr No is dull as ditchwater from what little I remember (telling). OHMSS I really like - saddest scene in the whole series with wonderfully poignant music that came back in No Time To Die (heralding that someone was going to die, probably) and Casino Royale is also very good but doesn't have any of that original escapism that they found with the first three Moores. The rest of his series are universally terrible. But you watch Diamonds Are Forever and then put on Live And Let Die - the transition is stunning and it's everything a Bond should be - an exciting, escapist adventure, not a cold assassin in cold settings doing cold things. So, that one scene in the clip is the best scene in the best movie, in my view - the epitome of everything you could have - great car, great chase, great location, great Bond girl (okay, two) and wildly imaginative action - who knew the car was going to sprout fins?? Plus Spy is the only film in the series that does not use any of the traditional Bond music - check out the score, it is all totally different and much better for it, I'd say. It also has the best opening scene, imo (skies off the cliff, falling, falling, falling - audience getting very concerned - Union Jack parachute opens - absolutely brilliant and the whole cinema erupted with cheers). I just love everything about it. One word: " Effeminate".
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Post by Flying Monkeys on Dec 23, 2021 14:25:02 GMT
Have you ever read the books? No.
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Post by Flying Monkeys on Dec 23, 2021 15:03:17 GMT
One word: Stone cold killer.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2021 15:12:38 GMT
One word: Stone cold killer. It's called "effortless".
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Post by Flying Monkeys on Dec 23, 2021 16:14:46 GMT
One word: Stone cold killer. It's called "effortless". It's called "doing more".
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Post by yggdrasil on Dec 23, 2021 16:46:12 GMT
Have a rant, why don't you? Yes, I grew up with Live & Let Die, The Man With The Golden Gun and The Spy Who Loved Me. I was bored with the trilby hats and CIA nonsense of the end of the Connery period - dreary scripts, dreary locations, always some SMERSH or SPECTRE or other stupidly acronymed bunch of idiots in a volcano - as if - plotting to <yawn> take over the world. Along came these Moores and they were a breath of fresh air - they were fun, dammit! Fantastic locations with blue skies, plausible plots (drug dealer, assassin, etc) and a sense on non-seriousness that was fantastic for a small boy. Who cares about the content? All that matters with any art is how it makes you feel - and those three films made this goggle-eyed kid alive with excitement! Going to see the new Bond was a MASSIVE event at that time of my life. From Russia With Love is very good but cold. In my top 5 though. Dr No is dull as ditchwater from what little I remember (telling). OHMSS I really like - saddest scene in the whole series with wonderfully poignant music that came back in No Time To Die (heralding that someone was going to die, probably) and Casino Royale is also very good but doesn't have any of that original escapism that they found with the first three Moores. The rest of his series are universally terrible. But you watch Diamonds Are Forever and then put on Live And Let Die - the transition is stunning and it's everything a Bond should be - an exciting, escapist adventure, not a cold assassin in cold settings doing cold things. So, that one scene in the clip is the best scene in the best movie, in my view - the epitome of everything you could have - great car, great chase, great location, great Bond girl (okay, two) and wildly imaginative action - who knew the car was going to sprout fins?? Plus Spy is the only film in the series that does not use any of the traditional Bond music - check out the score, it is all totally different and much better for it, I'd say. It also has the best opening scene, imo (skies off the cliff, falling, falling, falling - audience getting very concerned - Union Jack parachute opens - absolutely brilliant and the whole cinema erupted with cheers). I just love everything about it. One word: " Effeminate". Monkeys? A bit. Moore? more "naff" than effeminate, but certainly not the traditional hero "masculine" sort (gotta be careful here, don't want to enter dickdog territory ) It's just rather hard to believe Roger Moore as a ladies man. Sounds like a ponce.
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Post by yggdrasil on Dec 23, 2021 16:50:42 GMT
Have you ever read the books? No. Hard to read them and compare to the campy vision of the Moore era. BTW, did you know Richard Burton turned down the role twice both for Dr.No and "OHMSS"?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2021 17:07:08 GMT
It's called "effortless". It's called "doing more". Or "trying too hard", like with his cheap jokes.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2021 17:08:01 GMT
Monkeys? A bit. Moore? more "naff" than effeminate, but certainly not the traditional hero "masculine" sort (gotta be careful here, don't want to enter dickdog territory ) It's just rather hard to believe Roger Moore as a ladies man. Sounds like a ponce. I shall pass no judgement on Monkeys, but Moore is beautiful. Certainly not a ladies man.
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Post by Flying Monkeys on Dec 23, 2021 17:20:02 GMT
Hard to read them and compare to the campy vision of the Moore era. I don't doubt it and had I been a fan of the books, I may see it very differently. E.g. I think the film A Clockwork Orange is absolutely atrocious - a disgrace to the cinematic art. But I'm not a fan of the books so I judge the cinematic experience solely on that and think they have a vibe which totally refreshed the dreary late 60s stuff which had passed its sell-by date. I'm sure he would have been quite good.
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Post by Flying Monkeys on Dec 23, 2021 17:23:19 GMT
It's called "doing more". Or "trying too hard", like with his cheap jokes. The jokes were terrible but part of the newly-found light-hearted fun (they became really terrible and not fun with Brosnan), but when Moore needed to look icy cold and just shoot someone, he absolutely could. It actually made him a less predictable character - all evening being nicey nicey then the mood turns in a second and he just shoots you. With Connery, you knew all along he was going to shoot you. He had 'killer' in his eyes. Moore had 'hidden killer' in his.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2021 17:26:11 GMT
Or "trying too hard", like with his cheap jokes. The jokes were terrible but part of the newly-found light-hearted fun (they became really terrible and not fun with Brosnan), but when Moore needed to look icy cold and just shoot someone, he absolutely could. It actually made him a less predictable character - all evening being nicey nicey then the mood turns in a second and he just shoots you. With Connery, you knew all along he was going to shoot you. He had 'killer' in his eyes. Moore had 'hidden killer' in his. They just don't make them like they used to. " Honey, I give you best duck."
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Post by Prince Myshkin on Dec 23, 2021 20:22:54 GMT
Oh please. As if the Turks and Ottoman imperialism hasn't wreaked enough havoc in the region. Next you'll be making apologies for the Armenian genocide.
Hellas is just the Greek name for Greece, ignatz. Nothing mysterious. "Greece" is just the English word.
Macedonia has always been a historic region of Greece. And Alexander the Great, the Greek superman, was born in Macedonia. The name is historically important to us.
"North Macedonia" was some bastard concept created by Communist Yugoslavia. And the people there are Slavs, not Macedonian Greeks.
As for Cyprus, it's a majority Greek nation. It's Greek, get over it. The Turks sent troops to the island in 1975 and they need to GTFO.
And the only comparison to American imperialism in Hawaii is Ottoman Turkish imperialism in the Balkans.
The Western coast of what is now "Turkey" is Greek as well. And Istanbul is the historic Constantinople.
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Post by yggdrasil on Dec 24, 2021 9:47:08 GMT
Hard to read them and compare to the campy vision of the Moore era. I don't doubt it and had I been a fan of the books, I may see it very differently. E.g. I think the film A Clockwork Orange is absolutely atrocious - a disgrace to the cinematic art. But I'm not a fan of the books so I judge the cinematic experience solely on that and think they have a vibe which totally refreshed the dreary late 60s stuff which had passed its sell-by date. I'm sure he would have been quite good. Could never get past the invented language of Burgess's book, and found the"Orange" movie more a curiosity of it's time more than anything. That was seeing it years later though when I got hold of a bootleg copy. Not sure how it's a disgrace to the "cinematic art" though, parts of it are very powerful. Like to hear your logic on that one.
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Post by Flying Monkeys on Dec 24, 2021 10:10:30 GMT
Could never get past the invented language of Burgess's book, and found the"Orange" movie more a curiosity of it's time more than anything. That was seeing it years later though when I got hold of a bootleg copy. Not sure how it's a disgrace to the "cinematic art" though, parts of it are very powerful. Like to hear your logic on that one. Language: That's one of the reasons I really liked it - you had to really think about it and figure out a new language with no clues. Disgrace: It looks like it was made by students with a budget of 50p - terrible production values. Plus he dumbed it right down for the masses.
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