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Post by Flying Monkeys on Jan 11, 2022 14:59:05 GMT
The story is that Stanley Kubrick was not happy with the performance of the actor initially chosen for the drill sergeant role so he asked R. Lee Ermey (who was coach to the actor and a real drill sergeant) to take over the role.
But who was the original actor?
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Post by Power Ranger on Jan 11, 2022 15:12:12 GMT
I think it may have been one of the hillbillies from Deliverance. I’m not joking.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Jan 11, 2022 22:00:09 GMT
The story is that Stanley Kubrick was not happy with the performance of the actor initially chosen for the drill sergeant role so he asked R. Lee Ermey (who was coach to the actor and a real drill sergeant) to take over the role. But who was the original actor? It wasn't that Kubrick was unhappy with him, but he was impressed with Ermey's constant stream of cynical one-liners and decided to make him the drill sergeant. I don't know the other guy's name, but he was still given a role in the movie. He played the door gunner on the helicopter with Joker and Rafter Man.
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Post by Flying Monkeys on Jan 11, 2022 22:21:16 GMT
The story is that Stanley Kubrick was not happy with the performance of the actor initially chosen for the drill sergeant role so he asked R. Lee Ermey (who was coach to the actor and a real drill sergeant) to take over the role. But who was the original actor? It wasn't that Kubrick was unhappy with him, but he was impressed with Ermey's constant stream of cynical one-liners and decided to make him the drill sergeant. I don't know the other guy's name, but he was still given a role in the movie. He played the door gunner on the helicopter with Joker and Rafter Man. Looks like you're right: Thanks.
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Post by Power Ranger on Jan 12, 2022 7:23:42 GMT
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Post by Flying Monkeys on Jan 12, 2022 8:11:27 GMT
I recognise him from the photos of Josey Wales, but not Deliverance. Thanks.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2022 12:40:31 GMT
It wasn't that Kubrick was unhappy with him, but he was impressed with Ermey's constant stream of cynical one-liners and decided to make him the drill sergeant. I don't know the other guy's name, but he was still given a role in the movie. He played the door gunner on the helicopter with Joker and Rafter Man. Looks like you're right: Thanks. I am just seeing this thread now and I was about to post it. It's him on the right.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2022 12:41:15 GMT
The story is that Stanley Kubrick was not happy with the performance of the actor initially chosen for the drill sergeant role so he asked R. Lee Ermey (who was coach to the actor and a real drill sergeant) to take over the role. But who was the original actor? It wasn't that Kubrick was unhappy with him, but he was impressed with Ermey's constant stream of cynical one-liners and decided to make him the drill sergeant. I don't know the other guy's name, but he was still given a role in the movie. He played the door gunner on the helicopter with Joker and Rafter Man. Flying Monkeys, That is what I heard, too.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2022 12:42:00 GMT
I rate FMJ with 9/10. Beats "Apocalypse Now".
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Post by Flying Monkeys on Jan 14, 2022 13:42:18 GMT
I rate FMJ with 9/10. Beats "Apocalypse Now". The first half is certainly excellent but the second is let down by Kubrick's lack of willingness to travel, so the sets of Vietnam look absolutely useless - a few walls, some buildings which were clearly never a town and some trucked in, straggly palm trees. Ever notice that in the second half the camera is always very low down, below the level of the walls? This is so you can't see what's really there as they are actually in East London. It's shoddily cheap fil-making - something that is also my complaint about A Clockwork Orange - the production looks incredibly cheap. I have no idea why he was so lazy in these things. Take Apocalypse Now, though - that crazy bastard made his actors and crew live in the jungles of Thailand for 9 months or so. Now that's commitment.
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Post by bomtombadil on Jan 14, 2022 18:08:54 GMT
The story is that Stanley Kubrick was not happy with the performance of the actor initially chosen for the drill sergeant role so he asked R. Lee Ermey (who was coach to the actor and a real drill sergeant) to take over the role. But who was the original actor? Last year some time, I watched a lot of old SNL episodes that were on this new streaming service called Peacock that became available thru my cable last year. One of the funniest skits I saw was one with Phil Hartman playing the drill sergeant from Full Metal Jacket. I was dying! I can't seem to find the skit online though, or I would have posted it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2022 18:42:27 GMT
I rate FMJ with 9/10. Beats "Apocalypse Now". The first half is certainly excellent but the second is let down by Kubrick's lack of willingness to travel, so the sets of Vietnam look absolutely useless - a few walls, some buildings which were clearly never a town and some trucked in, straggly palm trees. Ever notice that in the second half the camera is always very low down, below the level of the walls? This is so you can't see what's really there as they are actually in East London. It's shoddily cheap fil-making - something that is also my complaint about A Clockwork Orange - the production looks incredibly cheap. I have no idea why he was so lazy in these things. Take Apocalypse Now, though - that crazy bastard made his actors and crew live in the jungles of Thailand for 9 months or so. Now that's commitment. I don't think so. It's city warfare.. Which is why it is far more current than Apocalypse Now. What do you think happened in Bagdad? Kubrick took years to shoot a movie. If there is one thing that you cannot accuse him of, then it's commitment. I also love how Kubrick commented on Apocalypse Now. Coppola was going around saying that his movie was Vietnam. And Kubrick pretty much put in there why a movie can't be reality.
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Post by Flying Monkeys on Jan 14, 2022 21:19:11 GMT
The first half is certainly excellent but the second is let down by Kubrick's lack of willingness to travel, so the sets of Vietnam look absolutely useless - a few walls, some buildings which were clearly never a town and some trucked in, straggly palm trees. Ever notice that in the second half the camera is always very low down, below the level of the walls? This is so you can't see what's really there as they are actually in East London. It's shoddily cheap fil-making - something that is also my complaint about A Clockwork Orange - the production looks incredibly cheap. I have no idea why he was so lazy in these things. Take Apocalypse Now, though - that crazy bastard made his actors and crew live in the jungles of Thailand for 9 months or so. Now that's commitment. I don't think so. It's city warfare.. Which is why it is far more current than Apocalypse Now. What do you think happened in Bagdad? Kubrick took years to shoot a movie. If there is one thing that you cannot accuse him of, then it's commitment. I also love how Kubrick commented on Apocalypse Now. Coppola was going around saying that his movie was Vietnam. And Kubrick pretty much put in there why a movie can't be reality. Saving Private Ryan does city warfare much better. You know why? Because the camera doesn't hide below wall level. Watch it again with the low camera angle in mind and see what I mean about the cheap sets.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2022 22:16:08 GMT
Flying Monkeys , Isn't below the wall level the perspective of the soldier? As much as I respect Spielberg as a director, since he is brilliant in cinematography and really knows how to tell a story with pictures, I always hate the in-your-face morals. I miss Kubrick as a director a lot, you know. I love what people call "cold". I always wondered, what if we are all this cold and what if the histrionics is there to divert us from reality? Kubrick was brilliant at that. Monkeys, what did you make of joker? I thought he was a rat. And you, Dracula bartlesby and yggdrasil ?
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Post by bartlesby on Jan 14, 2022 23:23:29 GMT
Flying Monkeys , Isn't below the wall level the perspective of the soldier? As much as I respect Spielberg as a director, since he is brilliant in cinematography and really knows how to tell a story with pictures, I always hate the in-your-face morals. I miss Kubrick as a director a lot, you know. I love what people call "cold". I always wondered, what if we are all this cold and what if the histrionics is there to divert us from reality? Kubrick was brilliant at that. Monkeys, what did you make of joker? I thought he was a rat. And you, Dracula bartlesby and yggdrasil ? Joker has one of the best lines in the movie.
"I wanted to see exotic Vietnam... the crown jewel of Southeast Asia. I wanted to meet interesting and stimulating people of an ancient culture... and kill them."
It informs a lot about his character. The entire first half was about stripping away the humanity of the soldiers to turn them into killers. The goal of the military is to strip them down of their humanity through psychological and physical abuse so that they'll unquestioningly follow orders and function as an unthinking piece of war machinery.
Joker himself falls victim to it when he betrays Pyle, because despite Joker's initial intention to protect him, the system he's a part of makes Pyle's failures the responsibility of Joker and Pyle could not function within that system because he was incompetent. Joker saw himself as a good person, and he was largely a good person, but the system ultimately broke him down, just as it did with Pyle, and he complied with the order of the system because it was simply too powerful for him to overcome.
Yet Joker was never truly stripped of his humanity. Instead, he became cynical and used humor to deal with the contradiction of what brutality he was tasked with as a soldier and who he was as a thinking human being. He lost faith in humanity but never quite lost what made him human. That contradiction is entirely what his character is about. The peace sign on his military helmet isn't just a morbid joke or a bit of set dressing; it's symbolic of Joker's underlying humanity in a situation where there is no room for humanity. If it's a joke, it's a joke on everybody in the world when it comes to war.
Reducing him to being a "rat" kinda misses the point.
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