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Post by yggdrasil on Jun 13, 2022 7:27:32 GMT
Beats his silver pillows at least. Only good thing to come out of the "Factory" Was the VU. Once made the mistake of reading the whole of the "Diaries", That's some time I'll never get back, God what a name dropper. And I agree with you that The Factory was a bunch of pretentious narcissistic bullshit. Sort of like an artsy fartsy 1960's Kardashians.
However, since Western culture has been swallowed by Pop, Warhol's genius was to recognize that and exploit it.
Also, Velvet Underground was an important band. And I've tried and tried. But I cannot enjoy their music. I've never found a song by them I enjoy. Vapidity as art. Lou Reed has a song named "Ennui" and it is.
Really? Always adored them, was glad to see their first ever London gigs before Sterling Morrison died. I think a lot comes down to whether you like "atonal" music or not. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2022 9:45:46 GMT
If art is irrelevant it can't be great. It has to "say" something. The art doesn’t have to actually say anything but can allow those looking at or listening to it construct a narrative or message. Mind you, even a picture of a flower is saying “this is a flower”. |
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Post by Prince Myshkin on Jun 13, 2022 15:39:31 GMT
And I agree with you that The Factory was a bunch of pretentious narcissistic bullshit. Sort of like an artsy fartsy 1960's Kardashians.
However, since Western culture has been swallowed by Pop, Warhol's genius was to recognize that and exploit it.
Also, Velvet Underground was an important band. And I've tried and tried. But I cannot enjoy their music. I've never found a song by them I enjoy. Vapidity as art. Lou Reed has a song named "Ennui" and it is.
Really? Always adored them, was glad to see their first ever London gigs before Sterling Morrison died. I think a lot comes down to whether you like "atonal" music or not. Yggy, I like atonal music. I'm a huge George Crumb & John Cage fan.
Recommend me a good Velvet song.
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Post by Prince Myshkin on Jun 13, 2022 15:45:46 GMT
If art is irrelevant it can't be great. It has to "say" something. The art doesn’t have to actually say anything but can allow those looking at or listening to it construct a narrative or message. Mind you, even a picture of a flower is saying “this is a flower”. Let me amend that. I'm not saying art even has to mean anything. And relevance is subjective. But how can something great not be relevant? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2022 18:24:54 GMT
The art doesn’t have to actually say anything but can allow those looking at or listening to it construct a narrative or message. Mind you, even a picture of a flower is saying “this is a flower”. Let me amend that. I'm not saying art even has to mean anything. And relevance is subjective. But how can something great not be relevant? Sometimes a hole is just a hole. |
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Post by Prince Myshkin on Jun 13, 2022 20:15:10 GMT
Let me amend that. I'm not saying art even has to mean anything. And relevance is subjective. But how can something great not be relevant? Sometimes a hole is just a hole. Well he deserves what he got for walking on art. |
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Post by yggdrasil on Jun 14, 2022 8:16:47 GMT
Really? Always adored them, was glad to see their first ever London gigs before Sterling Morrison died. I think a lot comes down to whether you like "atonal" music or not. Yggy, I like atonal music. I'm a huge George Crumb & John Cage fan.
Recommend me a good Velvet song.
God, I love them all, although I know Lou's voice can be a like or hate thing to some. Two that spring to mind are "I heard her call my name" and "Sister Ray" |
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Post by Flying Monkeys on Jun 14, 2022 8:31:27 GMT
What it's like in Yggdrasil's head ^^^^^. |
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Post by yggdrasil on Jun 14, 2022 10:59:24 GMT
What it's like in Yggdrasil's head ^^^^^. Very true. A wonderful place to be. |
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Post by Prince Myshkin on Jun 14, 2022 16:55:24 GMT
Yggy, I like atonal music. I'm a huge George Crumb & John Cage fan.
Recommend me a good Velvet song.
God, I love them all, although I know Lou's voice can be a like or hate thing to some. Two that spring to mind are "I heard her call my name" and "Sister Ray" Okay, I respect it. But I don't like it. Lol.
I'm a fan of Lou Reed's solo stuff, like "Berlin".
I might enjoy Nico singing a Nazi song. ![[tongue]](http://storage.proboards.com/6870873/images/IgLQhqrYFakygiihCBvT.gif) |
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Post by yggdrasil on Jun 15, 2022 8:41:13 GMT
God, I love them all, although I know Lou's voice can be a like or hate thing to some. Two that spring to mind are "I heard her call my name" and "Sister Ray" Okay, I respect it. But I don't like it. Lol.
I'm a fan of Lou Reed's solo stuff, like "Berlin".
I might enjoy Nico singing a Nazi song. ![[tongue]](http://storage2.proboards.com/6870873/images/IgLQhqrYFakygiihCBvT.gif) Lou's 80's output was terrible though, up to his great resurgence with the brilliant "New York". |
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