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Post by ayatollah on Jun 10, 2022 19:30:51 GMT
Indubitably. Thank you for your input. There were Arabs there. Nowhere near there at that time. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2022 19:35:03 GMT
Nowhere near there at that time. And where were your ancestors at that time? Had they taken away their land from the Native Americans? |
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Post by ayatollah on Jun 10, 2022 20:00:51 GMT
Nowhere near there at that time. And where were your ancestors at that time? Had they taken away their land from the Native Americans? At that time? Gobekli Tepe existed 10k years ago. My ancestors might've been on Mars. My ancestors didn't take anything from Natives. They arrived in NYC in the 1920s. They probably rented a shitty tenement, I do not think anyone owned land until the second generation left the city with the military during WW2. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2022 20:04:52 GMT
And where were your ancestors at that time? Had they taken away their land from the Native Americans? At that time? Gobekli Tepe existed 10k years ago. My ancestors might've been on Mars. My ancestors didn't take anything from Natives. They arrived in NYC in the 1920s. They probably rented a shitty tenement, I do not think anyone owned land until the second generation left the city with the military during WW2. So from Mars to America. You little victim. |
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Post by PaulsLaugh on Jun 10, 2022 20:13:23 GMT
Yes, your ancestors. Are you American, yes or no? Case closed. Now get out of this thread with your racist venom, imperialist. So I am or am not a Native American? Not unless you can qualify as Native American tribal member. You like me, are a citizen of the United States of America, or an American. Since you were born in the US, you are “native” rather than “naturalized.” |
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Post by PaulsLaugh on Jun 10, 2022 20:20:49 GMT
And where were your ancestors at that time? Had they taken away their land from the Native Americans? At that time? Gobekli Tepe existed 10k years ago. My ancestors might've been on Mars. My ancestors didn't take anything from Natives. They arrived in NYC in the 1920s. They probably rented a shitty tenement, I do not think anyone owned land until the second generation left the city with the military during WW2. If you didn’t take country, then you don’t need to act like you own it all. That’s the problem, us continuing to tell the Native Americans who they are. Where they do and do not belong. That their traditions mean nothing compared to ours. We come first. If we need an oil pipeline to keep gas prices low, then screw the the Native Americans last remaining refugee to maintain their culture, the land and everything under it belongs to us. |
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Post by PaulsLaugh on Jun 10, 2022 20:34:56 GMT
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Post by ayatollah on Jun 10, 2022 21:32:32 GMT
So I am or am not a Native American? Not unless you can qualify as Native American tribal member. You like me, are a citizen of the United States of America, or an American. Since you were born in the US, you are “native” rather than “naturalized.” Your culture comes largely from your upbringing, and there is no magic dirt that changed my mother or father's family life upon moving to this country. |
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Post by peachy on Jun 10, 2022 22:17:19 GMT
What happened to "everybody came from Africa"?
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Post by ayatollah on Jun 10, 2022 22:31:31 GMT
What happened to "everybody came from Africa"? That still goes, Homo Sapiens evolved in Sub Saharan Africa, but the implication here is they just didn't create any civilization. Wait til the afrocentric people find out. |
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Post by PaulsLaugh on Jun 11, 2022 1:21:04 GMT
What happened to "everybody came from Africa"? That still goes, Homo Sapiens evolved in Sub Saharan Africa, but the implication here is they just didn't create any civilization. Wait til the afrocentric people find out. Neither did the ancestors of present-day Northwestern Europeans. They didn’t know what any civilization was until around 600-700AD. |
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Post by Flying Monkeys on Jun 11, 2022 6:49:17 GMT
That still goes, Homo Sapiens evolved in Sub Saharan Africa, but the implication here is they just didn't create any civilization. Wait til the afrocentric people find out. Neither did the ancestors of present-day Northwestern Europeans. They didn’t know what any civilization was until around 600-700AD. I take it by that that you think tribes with their own cultures did not constitute civilisation? In which case, what defines civilisation? |
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Post by PaulsLaugh on Jun 11, 2022 7:25:22 GMT
Neither did the ancestors of present-day Northwestern Europeans. They didn’t know what any civilization was until around 600-700AD. I take it by that that you think tribes with their own cultures did not constitute civilisation? In which case, what defines civilisation?Having a written language is generally the first step to having what we call in the west "civilization." The North Atlantic tribes like the Anglo Saxons used Latin once they started recording their history during the Christianization period. There were rudimentary rune letters, but these were never developed fully into full-fledged writing. . The Romans brought all of their era's technology with them and taught this as well as new forms of trading, religion, government to the Celt and Germanic tribes they ruled over, but there are few technological innovations outside of metal working Germanic tribespeople invented until much later. The Vikings had superior sailing ships at the time, for a while. In other words, there was no "cradle of civilization" north of the long, sweet-spot stretch of civilizations that ran from Spain/Morocco to the Indian subcontinent and China. North American civilizations developed in the same latitudes. This was most probably due to the harsh living and growing conditions and necessary mobile lifestyle of Iron Age hunter-gathers. |
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Post by Flying Monkeys on Jun 11, 2022 7:38:58 GMT
I take it by that that you think tribes with their own cultures did not constitute civilisation? In which case, what defines civilisation?Having a written language is generally the first step to having what we call in the west "civilization." The North Atlantic tribes like the Anglo Saxons used Latin once they started recording their history during the Christianization period. There were rudimentary rune letters, but these were never developed fully into full-fledged writing. . The Romans brought all of their era's technology with them and taught this as well as new forms of trading, religion, government to the Celt and Germanic tribes they ruled over, but there are few technological innovations outside of metal working Germanic tribespeople invented until much later. The Vikings had superior sailing ships at the time, for a while. In other words, there was no "cradle of civilization" north of the long, sweet-spot stretch of civilizations that ran from Spain/Morocco to the Indian subcontinent and China. North American civilizations developed in the same latitudes. This was most probably due to the harsh living and growing conditions and necessary mobile lifestyle of Iron Age hunter-gathers. That's a very interesting point about the writing and would certainly fit with most of Europe being enveloped in the Dark Ages in the second half of the first millennium, so called due to the lack of written material. I could counter and say that civilisation comes about when people behave in a civilised manner, and collaborative work such as ship building and iron working is definitely behaving in a civilised manner. In other words, trade could be seen as the starting point of civilisation, as it requires an understanding of utility, peaceful interaction and agreement. |
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Post by PaulsLaugh on Jun 11, 2022 7:45:31 GMT
Having a written language is generally the first step to having what we call in the west "civilization." The North Atlantic tribes like the Anglo Saxons used Latin once they started recording their history during the Christianization period. There were rudimentary rune letters, but these were never developed fully into full-fledged writing. . The Romans brought all of their era's technology with them and taught this as well as new forms of trading, religion, government to the Celt and Germanic tribes they ruled over, but there are few technological innovations outside of metal working Germanic tribespeople invented until much later. The Vikings had superior sailing ships at the time, for a while. In other words, there was no "cradle of civilization" north of the long, sweet-spot stretch of civilizations that ran from Spain/Morocco to the Indian subcontinent and China. North American civilizations developed in the same latitudes. This was most probably due to the harsh living and growing conditions and necessary mobile lifestyle of Iron Age hunter-gathers. That's a very interesting point about the writing and would certainly fit with most of Europe being enveloped in the Dark Ages in the second half of the first millennium, so called due to the lack of written material. So, they were forced or acquiesced into adopting late Roman style and thought patterns. I could counter and say that civilisation comes about when people behave in a civilised manner, and collaborative work such as ship building and iron working is definitely behaving in a civilised manner. In other words, trade could be seen as the starting point of civilisation, as it requires an understanding of utility, peaceful interaction and agreement. That's fair. It was the men in the long beards who decided what is civilized and what is not. NTs definitely had a complex culture with a specific mythology, and elaborate art style. But the Christian missionary period wiped a lot of that out. |
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