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Post by PaulsLaugh Thought Mountie on Jun 21, 2022 0:10:33 GMT
For some reason American presidents never seem to boast about having English blood. ![[hmm]](http://storage2.proboards.com/6870873/images/diXlAGTvmKSUbEqRyond.gif) That's because probably 90%* of American Presidents have been Anglo.
*Don't ask me for stats. That's a sloppy estimate. My point is Anglo-Saxons have always and still dominate the U.S.
True. Until Eisenhower, all US presidents were either of Brit or Dutch heritage. |
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Post by Prince Myshkin on Jun 21, 2022 1:48:58 GMT
That's because probably 90%* of American Presidents have been Anglo.
*Don't ask me for stats. That's a sloppy estimate. My point is Anglo-Saxons have always and still dominate the U.S.
True. Until Eisenhower, all US presidents were either of Brit or Dutch heritage. Thanks. I was just giving stammerhead a quick estimate but I figured he would jump allover me and tell me that "90%" were not "Anglo-Saxon". He does shit like that. ![[tongue]](http://storage2.proboards.com/6870873/images/IgLQhqrYFakygiihCBvT.gif)
Eisenhower was German. Van Buren was Dutch. The rest before Kennedy were Anglo, i.e. for non-Americans, that's what we Yanks call English in a broad sense.
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Post by PaulsLaugh Thought Mountie on Jun 21, 2022 4:13:16 GMT
True. Until Eisenhower, all US presidents were either of Brit or Dutch heritage. Thanks. I was just giving stammerhead a quick estimate but I figured he would jump allover me and tell me that "90%" were not "Anglo-Saxon". He does shit like that.
Eisenhower was German. Van Buren was Dutch. The rest before Kennedy were Anglo, i.e. for non-Americans, that's what we Yanks call English in a broad sense.
The Roosevelts were from an old Knickerbocker family. The Dutch had large early colonial settlements and plantations in what is now surrounding NYC from the Hudson Valley down into Maryland. And many of the later presidents would be the typical re-mix of the Brit mix of Scots-Irish, Welsh, and/or Anglo-Saxon. These were the first people, along with the Dutch, to be identified as Americans, by outsiders and themselves. |
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Post by Prince Myshkin on Jun 21, 2022 4:57:53 GMT
Thanks. I was just giving stammerhead a quick estimate but I figured he would jump allover me and tell me that "90%" were not "Anglo-Saxon". He does shit like that.
Eisenhower was German. Van Buren was Dutch. The rest before Kennedy were Anglo, i.e. for non-Americans, that's what we Yanks call English in a broad sense.
The Roosevelts were from an old Knickerbocker family. The Dutch had large early colonial settlements and plantations in what is now surrounding NYC from the Hudson Valley down into Maryland. And many of the later presidents would be the typical re-mix of the Brit mix of Scots-Irish, Welsh, and/or Anglo-Saxon. These were the first people, along with the Dutch, to be identified as Americans, by outsiders and themselves. Thanks. I knew Roosevelt was a Dutch name too but my source cited only Van Buren was Dutch. I should have investigated further.
I suppose also it might be a generalization to say "Anglo-Saxon" and ignore Scotch-Irish and Welsh.
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Post by yggdrasil on Jun 21, 2022 15:38:30 GMT
Or be happy, just being an American. They seem to think it makes them better having British blood. Huh?
For some reason American presidents never seem to boast about having English blood… they seem to think it makes them better having British blood. If they don’t boast about it then how do you know they think this makes them better? And “American” is a nationality, not an ethnicity. I certainly don’t think my substantial British DNA makes me better. It’s cool, but not better. British isn't just English. |
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Post by PaulsLaugh Thought Mountie on Jun 21, 2022 16:24:19 GMT
Huh?
For some reason American presidents never seem to boast about having English blood… they seem to think it makes them better having British blood. If they don’t boast about it then how do you know they think this makes them better? And “American” is a nationality, not an ethnicity. I certainly don’t think my substantial British DNA makes me better. It’s cool, but not better. British isn't just English. True. The ethnicity is a co-mingling. But in the Britain, you have your own particular identity. For all the oppression throughout US history, the African Americans have a solid cultural identity. Celtic Americans like the Irish and Scots have their own if they choose to take it, the English Americans do not have one because we rebel against the parent culture. |
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Post by stammerhead on Jun 21, 2022 18:21:01 GMT
British isn't just English. True. The ethnicity is a co-mingling. But in the Britain, you have your own particular identity. For all the oppression throughout US history, the African Americans have a solid cultural identity. Celtic Americans like the Irish and Scots have their own if they choose to take it, the English Americans do not have one because we rebel against the parent culture. I feel sorry for working class WASPs as that title only seems to apply to those with money and status. ![[hmm]](http://storage.proboards.com/6870873/images/diXlAGTvmKSUbEqRyond.gif) |
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Post by PaulsLaugh Thought Mountie on Jun 21, 2022 22:45:24 GMT
True. The ethnicity is a co-mingling. But in the Britain, you have your own particular identity. For all the oppression throughout US history, the African Americans have a solid cultural identity. Celtic Americans like the Irish and Scots have their own if they choose to take it, the English Americans do not have one because we rebel against the parent culture. I feel sorry for working class WASPs as that title only seems to apply to those with money and status. Yeah, we’re stuck with redneck, cracker, or po’white trash. The right wing fascination with Viking culture stems from a lack of cultural roots that aren’t stuck in the slave historical narrative where the white man is always the villain. I’m intrigued by it too. I can see America as the last bastion of a curious yet berserker culture. The fact is, the lower class whites living mostly in the South today are bigger victims of the centuries of the slave and segregation mentalities than African Americans. I’m in favor of reparations for legacy of the poor white people Mister Charlie fucked over too. |
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Post by Power Ranger on Jun 22, 2022 3:29:34 GMT
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Post by Winter_King on Jun 24, 2022 13:33:55 GMT
We’d all be talking Scottish if the Romans hadn’t saved our arses. ![[knifehead]](http://storage2.proboards.com/6870873/images/UnOABTNrxsRYIWkafNUY.gif)  |
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Post by Prince Myshkin on Jun 25, 2022 8:11:09 GMT
British isn't just English. True. The ethnicity is a co-mingling. But in the Britain, you have your own particular identity. For all the oppression throughout US history, the African Americans have a solid cultural identity. Celtic Americans like the Irish and Scots have their own if they choose to take it, the English Americans do not have one because we rebel against the parent culture. English-Americans never think of themselves as "English". And of course they are the dominant group here anyway. Usually the term WASP or Anglo-Saxon is used. |
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Post by Hnefahogg on Jun 25, 2022 9:15:02 GMT
True. The ethnicity is a co-mingling. But in the Britain, you have your own particular identity. For all the oppression throughout US history, the African Americans have a solid cultural identity. Celtic Americans like the Irish and Scots have their own if they choose to take it, the English Americans do not have one because we rebel against the parent culture. I feel sorry for working class WASPs as that title only seems to apply to those with money and status. In the video game Bully, Jimmy calls the Preppies (the rich kids) leader Derby Harrington "my WASPy friend", even though I think Jimmy himself is of predominantly English ancestry, or his real name James Hopkins at least indicates it. On the other hand, Archie Bunker was working class and called a WASP, I think. He was probably in the minority being English in the area he resided (Queens, NY). |
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Post by PaulsLaugh Thought Mountie on Jun 25, 2022 13:05:16 GMT
True. The ethnicity is a co-mingling. But in the Britain, you have your own particular identity. For all the oppression throughout US history, the African Americans have a solid cultural identity. Celtic Americans like the Irish and Scots have their own if they choose to take it, the English Americans do not have one because we rebel against the parent culture. English-Americans never think of themselves as "English". And of course they are the dominant group here anyway. Usually the term WASP or Anglo-Saxon is used. And WASP was coined to donate English people of high social status. When we think of settlers in the early colonial period, we think the Pilgrims and Puritans fleeing religious persecution, but the first established class of settlers were the “sad” cavaliers fleeing England from England’s only religious fanatic dictator, Oliver Crowell. And when he was deposed, the Roundhead Puritans fled to the Colonies. And Catholic Recusants fled both and settled in Maryland. Also second and third sons of the landed gentry became the first gentry of Virginia and the Carolinas. Plenty of new land and wealth opportunities they would be denied in England. George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, the Lee Family, etc, who by 1776 were third and fourth generation British Americans never lost their cultural ties with the UK as the sons of these now rich people were often sent to England to be educated. If anything they were more English than the English. Same with the Boston Brahmins and Dutch Knickerbockers, especially after William of Orange became King of England. The lower and working class generally paid less attention to their English cultural heritage since lot of them started out as deported penal labor and had no noble family to be proud of. They didn’t reject their native heritage so much as it simply morphed over time and any thought of the past ties were forgotten or romanticized. The flag for Washington, DC comes from the Washington family heraldry.   I’ll add the First Families of Virginia became the planters. |
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Post by papamihel on Jun 27, 2022 3:47:31 GMT
Normans still would.
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