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Post by mowlick on Jul 27, 2022 15:06:36 GMT
Every time I ask this most sites explain that there were billions of them until they were eaten by the whiteman and a few others say good and not enough, but I can't seem to get an accurate figure
Note that I mean Plains Indians who lived on the great American plains of Montana, North Dakota, South Dakota, Wyoming , Nebraska, Kansas, Colorado, Oklahoma, Texas, and New Mexico, not folk living anywhere else.
Many thanks
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Post by Flying Monkeys on Jul 27, 2022 15:34:24 GMT
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Post by yggdrasil on Jul 27, 2022 16:07:06 GMT
Can't remember numbers, but this is a fantastic history of the time, if a very depressing read. Very balanced too.  |
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Post by bomtombadil on Jul 27, 2022 17:36:08 GMT
Every time I ask this most sites explain that there were billions of them until they were eaten by the whiteman and a few others say good and not enough, but I can't seem to get an accurate figure
Note that I mean Plains Indians who lived on the great American plains of Montana, North Dakota, South Dakota, Wyoming , Nebraska, Kansas, Colorado, Oklahoma, Texas, and New Mexico, not folk living anywhere else.
Many thanks
Considering that the world population was only between one and two billion during that time period, it is unlikely there were billions of native americans then. |
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Post by mowlick on Jul 27, 2022 18:38:11 GMT
Many thanks Monkey.
Estimated to be 2 millions in 1500 AD and 500,000 by 1850 AD
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Post by PaulsLaugh Thought Mountie on Jul 28, 2022 5:00:36 GMT
Well, it's not like there were white people out there counting them.
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Post by PaulsLaugh Thought Mountie on Jul 28, 2022 5:02:46 GMT
Can't remember numbers, but this is a fantastic history of the time, if a very depressing read. Very balanced too. You'd probably like this.  His white mother's kidnapping inspired the movie The Searchers. |
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Post by yggdrasil on Jul 28, 2022 10:07:41 GMT
Statistics show a large decline in Native American population throughout the nineteenth century. There was an estimated 88-90 percent decline in Native American population from the time the Europeans landed in 1492 (Ubelaker, 1988) to the lowest recorded value of 228,000 in 1890 (Thornton, 1987). Over the course of the nineteenth century the United States signed over 375 treaties with Native American tribes and increased their territory over 500%. Westward expansion of the United States had a direct impact on the population of the Natives throughout this time. Other factors besides westward expansion affected Native populations, including disease, emigration, and warfare. This project will analyze the link between those factors and territorial expansion of the United States. Upon looking at the statistical information it is easy to conclude that regardless of what the method of eradication, the Native American Indians were headed towards extinction by the end of the 1900’s. Some aboriginal tribes from Texas have no remaining ancestry (1987). nativestudy.wordpress.com/ |
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Post by mowlick on Jul 28, 2022 12:03:17 GMT
Statistics show a large decline in Native American population throughout the nineteenth century. There was an estimated 88-90 percent decline in Native American population from the time the Europeans landed in 1492 (Ubelaker, 1988) to the lowest recorded value of 228,000 in 1890 (Thornton, 1987). Over the course of the nineteenth century the United States signed over 375 treaties with Native American tribes and increased their territory over 500%. Westward expansion of the United States had a direct impact on the population of the Natives throughout this time. Other factors besides westward expansion affected Native populations, including disease, emigration, and warfare. This project will analyze the link between those factors and territorial expansion of the United States. Upon looking at the statistical information it is easy to conclude that regardless of what the method of eradication, the Native American Indians were headed towards extinction by the end of the 1900’s. Some aboriginal tribes from Texas have no remaining ancestry (1987). nativestudy.wordpress.com/Thanks Ash and everyone else.
As said, most books concentrate on the rough deal the Indians got, which I don't doubt. But I want to know how many there were.
In Empire of the Summer Moon. S C Gwynne wrote that the Comanches raided in an area 400 miles from their base in wherever it was. And the point that struck me was that they could not have had many neighbours if they had to go that far to steal. And since they were effectively hunter/gathers, Monkey's figures seem about right.
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Post by PaulsLaugh Thought Mountie on Jul 29, 2022 6:47:15 GMT
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Post by Nogbad on Apr 16, 2023 16:28:48 GMT
Off the top of my head, I'd have gone for around 500,000 too, with maybe 2 million at their peak. Empire Of The Summer Moon is fantastic, hadn't heard of the Cozzens book until now, but will investigate forthwith.
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Post by Sáirsint on Apr 20, 2023 6:32:13 GMT
I looked into how they determined populations for the pre-Columbian New World and the gist is it's a wild guess. It's a paper that references a paper that references a paper, etc. The papers were behind a paywall so I couldn't read them. When compared to other populations on Earth at the time, I suspect they way overestimated, but there is no way to really say without basically doing the study yourself.
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Post by Sáirsint on Apr 20, 2023 6:35:42 GMT
Indians who didn't pay taxes were not American citizens, that's why they weren't counted. "The families of Indians who have renounced tribal rule, and who under state or territory laws exercise the rights of citizens, are to be enumerated." |
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