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Post by PaulsLaugh on Sept 30, 2022 0:07:24 GMT
Therefore, do you separate Creation into two modes of Being as the “Big Bang” universe and a cosmological universe? I don't know what a cosmological universe is. Science is the study of, and search for facts. Religion is spiritual. The Bible and religion are not science or history. They are morals, ethics and spirituality. To me science and religion are not incompatible. They are two different things. The Bible and religion are not science or history. They are morals, ethics and spirituality.
There is a physical, empirically verifiable universe we are beings-in-time in or cosmos (we are born, we live we die) and a metaphysical cosmos were we have a greater or meta existence. This isn’t wu-wu science or religion, it’s basic Plato. Morals, ethics, spirituality, philosophy, art, literature, etc, though not their products, exist in a metaphysical cosmos, because they are of the human mind. Keep in mind these are Western concepts and not Eastern. Did God of the Holy Trinity create the physical (science) and metaphysical cosmos (includes religion) as separate or as one? To me science and religion are not incompatible. They are two different things.Neither religion nor science were created whole-cloth at the beginning of time. God may created everything but he didn’t create religion, that is a freewill product of the human mind. If God can do anything, then he can not exist. I think it much easier to believe in G-d, than God.
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Post by SixOfTheRichest on Sept 30, 2022 0:10:37 GMT
Religion teaches separatism. The irony being, it can take people away from God more than anything. God not being religious, (which is man made belief), and not being supreme/superior to anything else. God is just within, without and everything. I was raised in the Catholic Church. It never taught me about separatism or to separate myself from others. To the contrary, as I told pilarinhavana, we were taught, "You love God by loving others". Humankind does need to learn to love each other more, but that by default brings one into God connection without even having to ask what does God want? If people learned to love each other more than God, then most of the troubles on this planet would diminish.
God creator is you/us, not divinity away from what is already divine.
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Post by movieliker on Sept 30, 2022 0:47:40 GMT
I don't know what a cosmological universe is. Science is the study of, and search for facts. Religion is spiritual. The Bible and religion are not science or history. They are morals, ethics and spirituality. To me science and religion are not incompatible. They are two different things. The Bible and religion are not science or history. They are morals, ethics and spirituality.
1) There is a physical, empirically verifiable universe we are beings-in-time in or cosmos (we are born, we live we die) and a metaphysical cosmos were we have a greater or meta existence. This isn’t wu-wu science or religion, it’s basic Plato. Morals, ethics, spirituality, philosophy, art, literature, etc, though not their products, exist in a metaphysical cosmos, because they are of the human mind. Keep in mind these are Western concepts and not Eastern. Did God of the Holy Trinity create the physical (science) and metaphysical cosmos (includes religion) as separate or as one? To me science and religion are not incompatible. They are two different things.2) Neither religion nor science were created whole-cloth at the beginning of time. God may created everything but he didn’t create religion, that is a freewill product of the human mind. If God can do anything, then he can not exist. I think it much easier to believe in G-d, than God. 1) God created science. God doesn't create through magic. He creates through science. Everything has a scientific explanation. 2) I agree. Man created religion. I don't agree "If God can do anything, He cannot exist".
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Post by movieliker on Sept 30, 2022 0:53:19 GMT
I was raised in the Catholic Church. It never taught me about separatism or to separate myself from others. To the contrary, as I told pilarinhavana, we were taught, "You love God by loving others". Humankind does need to learn to love each other more, but that by default brings one into God connection without even having to ask what does God want? If people learned to love each other more than God, then most of the troubles on this planet would diminish.
God creator is you/us, not divinity away from what is already divine.
God wants you to be a good person.
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Post by SixOfTheRichest on Sept 30, 2022 0:56:57 GMT
God wants you to be a good person. That comes down to the point of this thread though, which God, be it atheist or theist?
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Post by movieliker on Sept 30, 2022 1:17:23 GMT
God wants you to be a good person. That comes down to the point of this thread though, which God, be it atheist or theist? Theist believe there is only one God.
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Post by SixOfTheRichest on Sept 30, 2022 1:29:05 GMT
That comes down to the point of this thread though, which God, be it atheist or theist? Theist believe there is only one God. One God within which specific theist religion? Are you saying ALL religions worship the same God?
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Post by movieliker on Sept 30, 2022 1:32:16 GMT
Theist believe there is only one God. One God within which specific theist religion? Are you saying ALL religions worship the same God? All the monotheistic religions worship the same God. (God, Yaweh, and Allah. Same God, different names.)
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Post by SixOfTheRichest on Sept 30, 2022 1:33:59 GMT
One God within which specific theist religion? Are you saying ALL religions worship the same God? All the monotheistic religions worship the same God. (God, Yaweh, and Allah. Same God, different names.) Then why all the conflict of which religion is superior and why covet this?
Is this God still a separate entity and is supreme above all and everything else?
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Post by movieliker on Sept 30, 2022 1:49:39 GMT
All the monotheistic religions worship the same God. (God, Yaweh, and Allah. Same God, different names.) 1) Then why all the conflict of which religion is superior and why covet this?
2) Is this God still a separate entity and is supreme above all and everything else?
1) Because people are stupid and petty. 2) Yes.
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Post by SixOfTheRichest on Sept 30, 2022 2:00:56 GMT
1) Then why all the conflict of which religion is superior and why covet this?
2) Is this God still a separate entity and is supreme above all and everything else?
1) Because people are stupid and petty. 2) Yes. 1/ They have become stupid and petty because of the religious belief.
2/ That is then a limiting view and one would have to provide evidence of this supremeness away from the rest to be able to take this religious God seriously.
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Post by movieliker on Sept 30, 2022 2:06:14 GMT
1) Because people are stupid and petty. 2) Yes. 1/ They have become stupid and petty because of the religious belief.
2/ That is then a limiting view and one would have to provide evidence of this supremeness away from the rest to be able to take this religious God seriously.
1) Wrong. People were petty and stupid before religion was ever created. 2) God gave you free will. The right to make your own decisions. And the right to make your own mistakes. You don't have to take God seriously.
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Post by SixOfTheRichest on Sept 30, 2022 2:08:45 GMT
1/ They have become stupid and petty because of the religious belief.
2/ That is then a limiting view and one would have to provide evidence of this supremeness away from the rest to be able to take this religious God seriously.
1) Wrong. People were petty and stupid before religion was ever created. 2) God gave you free will. The right to make your own decisions. And the right to make your own mistakes. You don't have to take God seriously. 1/ And they are still petty and stupid with or without religion.
2/ We have the freewill regardless of God giving it to us. God doesn't even care, because what is perceived as God via religion can't be proven.
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Post by movieliker on Sept 30, 2022 2:15:38 GMT
1) Wrong. People were petty and stupid before religion was ever created. 2) God gave you free will. The right to make your own decisions. And the right to make your own mistakes. You don't have to take God seriously. 1/ And they are still petty and stupid with or without religion.
2/ We have the freewill regardless of God giving it to us. God doesn't even care, because what is perceived as God via religion can't be proven.
1) I agree. 2) God doesn't care. Do whatever you want.
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Post by SixOfTheRichest on Sept 30, 2022 2:17:04 GMT
1/ And they are still petty and stupid with or without religion.
2/ We have the freewill regardless of God giving it to us. God doesn't even care, because what is perceived as God via religion can't be proven.
1) I agree. 2) God doesn't care. Do whatever you want. People have always done what they wanted too. They don't need religion either in their lives to be considered a decent human being.
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