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Post by papamihel on Aug 4, 2022 15:09:40 GMT
Something Jordan Peterson said in one lecture which was mostly a quote from someone.
I'll try to remember... Basically it's something like this: animals think by moving. Which means if they make a wrong move, they are dead. When humans think, we create avatars of themselves which we then "send into future" and if they make a wrong choice they die\get hurt instead of us.
And then I thought: does it mean that in a safer society humans think less? Because there's less danger?
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Post by PaulsLaugh Thought Mountie on Aug 5, 2022 1:04:52 GMT
It’s harder to hit a moving target.
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Post by Flying Monkeys on Aug 6, 2022 11:14:23 GMT
animals think by moving. Which means if they make a wrong move, they are dead. When humans think, we create avatars of themselves which we then "send into future" and if they make a wrong choice they die\get hurt instead of us. I think that's a highly arrogant way to think of humans and one which does not make any evolutionary sense. Instead of humans being totally unique, I would say there are increasing degrees as you move along the evolutionary line. In other words, if you arrange the species left-to-right in order of evolutionary complexity (amoeba first, humans last) and draw a line representing the amount of anything (emotion, thought capacity etc), it will be a gradually rising scale with a hockey stick towards the end. To think that nature would produce a line which is totally flat all the way along and then turns by 90 degrees to go sharply vertical when you get to humans doesn't make sense - no sharp angles in nature. |
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Post by [--Leviathan--] on Aug 8, 2022 13:45:47 GMT
Something Jordan Peterson said in one lecture which was mostly a quote from someone. I'll try to remember... Basically it's something like this: animals think by moving. Which means if they make a wrong move, they are dead. When humans think, we create avatars of themselves which we then "send into future" and if they make a wrong choice they die\get hurt instead of us. And then I thought: does it mean that in a safer society humans think less? Because there's less danger? As in more naive? Critical thinking? |
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Post by papamihel on Aug 8, 2022 15:03:58 GMT
Something Jordan Peterson said in one lecture which was mostly a quote from someone. I'll try to remember... Basically it's something like this: animals think by moving. Which means if they make a wrong move, they are dead. When humans think, we create avatars of themselves which we then "send into future" and if they make a wrong choice they die\get hurt instead of us. And then I thought: does it mean that in a safer society humans think less? Because there's less danger? As in more naive? Critical thinking? I think that explains why people in civilized societies are so tempted by illiberal ideas and beliefs. The don't have an immediate reason to think they are dangerous. |
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Post by PaulsLaugh Thought Mountie on Aug 9, 2022 8:47:05 GMT
As in more naive? Critical thinking? I think that explains why people in civilized societies are so tempted by illiberal ideas and beliefs. The don't have an immediate reason to think they are dangerous. The clever animal learns what is dangerous and adjusts to the given situation. That’s evolution. |
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Post by [--Leviathan--] on Aug 10, 2022 9:48:07 GMT
As in more naive? Critical thinking? I think that explains why people in civilized societies are so tempted by illiberal ideas and beliefs. The don't have an immediate reason to think they are dangerous. Maybe or they just cant comprehend the potential reality of said ideas |
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Post by PaulsLaugh Thought Mountie on Aug 10, 2022 21:02:43 GMT
I think that explains why people in civilized societies are so tempted by illiberal ideas and beliefs. The don't have an immediate reason to think they are dangerous. Maybe or they just cant comprehend the potential reality of said ideas Like what reality of ideas? By definition an idea is not a reality. And civilization itself, or at least modern western civilization, rests upon liberal ideas. And that thing about post-modern neo-Marxist liberalism permeated academia, government legislatures, bureaucracies, HR, and every other corner of society is just not so. When Galileo said Earth goes around the Sun, and not the other way around, was he being a liberal or a conservative? Should we have continued to listen to the wisdom of the conservatives of his day on the subject? |
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Post by papamihel on Aug 11, 2022 3:57:59 GMT
When Galileo said Earth goes around the Sun, and not the other way around, was he being a liberal or a conservative? Should we have continued to listen to the wisdom of the conservatives of his day on the subject? Neither. He was demonstrating scientific integrity even though his conclusions contradicted the scientific consensus and the ruling political narrative. He was canceled by people who put belief before knowledge. |
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Post by PaulsLaugh Thought Mountie on Aug 11, 2022 21:43:55 GMT
When Galileo said Earth goes around the Sun, and not the other way around, was he being a liberal or a conservative? Should we have continued to listen to the wisdom of the conservatives of his day on the subject? Neither. He was demonstrating scientific integrity even though his conclusions contradicted the scientific consensus and the ruling political narrative. He was canceled by people who put belief before knowledge. I’m not talking sticking by his guns, but actually entertaining a belief contrary at the time to the Bible. |
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