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Post by Flying Monkeys on Jan 2, 2023 13:22:46 GMT
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Post by yggdrasil on Jan 3, 2023 9:58:38 GMT
Also, being a yank mag they tend to always give prominence to yank singers. I mean, Mariah Carey! are they having a fucking laugh? All Whitney Houston does is vocal gymnastics too, she introduced that dreadful style of showing off singing that inspired a generation of TV talent show wannabees and their caterwauling. Aretha, Cooke, Holliday, Charles should all be up there, but Houston and Carey just make a farce of it. The voice that always astonishes me whenever I hear it, and I don't particularly like her music, is K D Lang, her ability and microphone technique, breathing and everything is just about perfect.
Watch this on Australian TV, she hadn't even practised with the band. Performance starts at around 2 minute mark.
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Post by Flying Monkeys on Jan 3, 2023 11:23:31 GMT
A yank mag, you say.
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Post by Prince Myshkin on Jan 4, 2023 5:35:06 GMT
I call some bullshit but a lot of this is de rigueur by the music establishment.
I'm fine with Sam Cooke, Otis Redding, and especially Al Green. I'm surprised Green is universally recognized.
I don't listen to Aretha Franklin but she deserves #1.
No way should Beyonce even be in the top ten though. That woman doesn't sing, she screams. 20 years from now she will have fallen way down the list. Beyonce is a joke.
I would put David Bowie at #1 myself. That guy did things with his voice no one else can do.
Glad to see Courtney Love made the list. Wow, she even beat Barbra Streisand. Now her detractors can STFU.
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Post by Prince Myshkin on Jan 4, 2023 5:38:24 GMT
yggdrasil, thank you for saying it. I agree with you 100% there. Neither Houston nor Carey should even be on that list.
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Post by yggdrasil on Jan 4, 2023 9:12:39 GMT
The phrase "singer" is ill defined anyway, what is it based on? Are we talking technical ability, kindness on the ear, or what. "Vocalist" is a better term, there are many "marmite" singers such as Dylan, Lou Reed, Costello etc, who are great vocalists with great "phrasing" but would never be considered conventional singers.
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Post by peachy on Jan 4, 2023 20:42:18 GMT
Michael Hutchence and Christine McVie aren't on the list, but Bjork and Joe Strummer are. What BS. It's a list some tasteless liberal who hates Celine Dion crapped out.
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Post by Flying Monkeys on Jan 5, 2023 8:06:27 GMT
Michael Hutchence and Christine McVie aren't on the list, but Bjork and Joe Strummer are. What BS. It's a list some tasteless liberal who hates Celine Dion crapped out. Good spots, MH and CM are both excellent. I like Bjork for the uniqueness/weirdness so am happy she's there but, yeah, Joe Strummer isn't much. Suits their music, though.
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Post by peachy on Jan 5, 2023 10:57:06 GMT
Michael Hutchence and Christine McVie aren't on the list, but Bjork and Joe Strummer are. What BS. It's a list some tasteless liberal who hates Celine Dion crapped out. Good spots, MH and CM are both excellent. I like Bjork for the uniqueness/weirdness so am happy she's there but, yeah, Joe Strummer isn't much. Suits their music, though. I thought they left out Tina Turner, but she's on the list. I don't see David Bowie or Mark Hollis, yet Lou Reed is on it. And who the heck is 'IU'? Sounds like a birth control device.
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Post by Flying Monkeys on Jan 5, 2023 11:08:39 GMT
Good spots, MH and CM are both excellent. I like Bjork for the uniqueness/weirdness so am happy she's there but, yeah, Joe Strummer isn't much. Suits their music, though. I thought they left out Tina Turner, but she's on the list. I don't see David Bowie or Mark Hollis, yet Lou Reed is on it. And who the heck is 'IU'? Sounds like a birth control device. David Bowie's on there - 20 something. No idea why - the guy can't sing! (And was my favourite artist when I was a teen, but I admit it!)
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Post by yggdrasil on Jan 5, 2023 12:25:26 GMT
Michael Hutchence and Christine McVie aren't on the list, but Bjork and Joe Strummer are. What BS. It's a list some tasteless liberal who hates Celine Dion crapped out. But again, what definition are you using. Pavarotti would be a shit singer in a punk outfit, even if well worth hearing. Dear old Comrade Joe had the perfect voice for the mighty Clash and that is no doubt why he is up there. It's only about individual taste. Dion though, I would argue is in an overcrowded market and doesn't particularly stand out in that market. As for Hutchence? again personally I wouldn't even consider him for a top 1000, you are no doubt going on whose voices you like. What "politics" has to do with it is beyond me apart from everything has to have politics bought into it by you guys, pretty much everyone is "liberal" anyway in music, only one I can think of who is not and has a unique voice is Gary Numan. I love Christine McVie and agree she should be on is, is the God awful Nicks? These lists only exist to create discussion which it is doing anyway and to sell copies, all down to taste, Hell, I'd have Diamanda Galas up there with her 8 octave range, bet no one else would though.
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Post by peachy on Jan 5, 2023 16:11:24 GMT
Michael Hutchence and Christine McVie aren't on the list, but Bjork and Joe Strummer are. What BS. It's a list some tasteless liberal who hates Celine Dion crapped out. But again, what definition are you using. Pavarotti would be a shit singer in a punk outfit, even if well worth hearing. Dear old Comrade Joe had the perfect voice for the mighty Clash and that is no doubt why he is up there. It's only about individual taste. Dion though, I would argue is in an overcrowded market and doesn't particularly stand out in that market. As for Hutchence? again personally I wouldn't even consider him for a top 1000, you are no doubt going on whose voices you like. What "politics" has to do with it is beyond me apart from everything has to have politics bought into it by you guys, pretty much everyone is "liberal" anyway in music, only one I can think of who is not and has a unique voice is Gary Numan. I love Christine McVie and agree she should be on is, is the God awful Nicks? These lists only exist to create discussion which it is doing anyway and to sell copies, all down to taste, Hell, I'd have Diamanda Galas up there with her 8 octave range, bet no one else would though. True. I guess not everyone thinks Chris Isaak is a good singer. I don't see his name on the list either.
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Post by yggdrasil on Jan 5, 2023 16:16:41 GMT
But again, what definition are you using. Pavarotti would be a shit singer in a punk outfit, even if well worth hearing. Dear old Comrade Joe had the perfect voice for the mighty Clash and that is no doubt why he is up there. It's only about individual taste. Dion though, I would argue is in an overcrowded market and doesn't particularly stand out in that market. As for Hutchence? again personally I wouldn't even consider him for a top 1000, you are no doubt going on whose voices you like. What "politics" has to do with it is beyond me apart from everything has to have politics bought into it by you guys, pretty much everyone is "liberal" anyway in music, only one I can think of who is not and has a unique voice is Gary Numan. I love Christine McVie and agree she should be on is, is the God awful Nicks? These lists only exist to create discussion which it is doing anyway and to sell copies, all down to taste, Hell, I'd have Diamanda Galas up there with her 8 octave range, bet no one else would though. True. I guess not everyone thinks Chris Isaak is a good singer. I don't see his name on the list either. I like his voice, just don't think his songs stand out for me apart from the classic "wicked Game"
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Post by bomtombadil on Jan 6, 2023 18:41:52 GMT
Ok - No Bruce Dickinson! Fuck you, Rolling Stone.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2023 18:12:01 GMT
As far as i remember ( i am to lazy to look at the list again) the list does not include Judith Durham, and that makes the list a joke and invalid.
Also the list far to American/British centric.
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