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Post by ayatollah on Feb 20, 2023 1:56:30 GMT
If he achieved his land reforms, taking farmland from the wealthiest Romans and giving it to veterans, would the Republic have fallen, preventing the Empire from forming? If there was never an Empire would it have really made a difference? Same thing, different name, I mean.
I think the Empire we knew would've never came about. Maybe some other form of authoritarian government would've come about later, but certainly the optimates would've been defanged and Caesar and all he did would've never happened.
I don't think the Republic could've lasted so long governing such a huge territory, it was too slow moving and prone to interminable debate and infighting and eventually provinces would broke away.
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Post by yggdrasil on Feb 20, 2023 13:03:37 GMT
Think you are so far back in time with so many variable factors that It's impossible to speculate. Even had reforms gone ahead they wouldn't have stuck is the real answer, too much wealth and too many greedy people after it and the Empire would have formed one way or another.
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Post by ayatollah on Feb 20, 2023 22:07:18 GMT
Think you are so far back in time with so many variable factors that It's impossible to speculate. Even had reforms gone ahead they wouldn't have stuck is the real answer, too much wealth and too many greedy people after it and the Empire would have formed one way or another. Okay sure, but "Would have succeeded" is the thing I'm pretending happened. |
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Post by mowlick on Feb 26, 2023 19:26:55 GMT
If he achieved his land reforms, taking farmland from the wealthiest Romans and giving it to veterans, would the Republic have fallen, preventing the Empire from forming? If there was never an Empire would it have really made a difference? Same thing, different name, I mean. I think the Empire we knew would've never came about. Maybe some other form of authoritarian government would've come about later, but certainly the optimates would've been defanged and Caesar and all he did would've never happened. I don't think the Republic could've lasted so long governing such a huge territory, it was too slow moving and prone to interminable debate and infighting and eventually provinces would broke away. I don't think that Tiberius Gracchus intended to give land to the veterans. It was more than 20 years after his death that the property qualification was abolished for Roman soldiers, which suggests that they already had their own farms. |
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Post by ayatollah on Feb 26, 2023 22:13:33 GMT
If he achieved his land reforms, taking farmland from the wealthiest Romans and giving it to veterans, would the Republic have fallen, preventing the Empire from forming? If there was never an Empire would it have really made a difference? Same thing, different name, I mean. I think the Empire we knew would've never came about. Maybe some other form of authoritarian government would've come about later, but certainly the optimates would've been defanged and Caesar and all he did would've never happened. I don't think the Republic could've lasted so long governing such a huge territory, it was too slow moving and prone to interminable debate and infighting and eventually provinces would broke away. I don't think that Tiberius Gracchus intended to give land to the veterans. It was more than 20 years after his death that the property qualification was abolished for Roman soldiers, which suggests that they already had their own farms. Unless I've been misinformed, many common soldiers lost their farms as they spent years campaigning far from home. The untended farms weren't producing, and the specter of famine was enough to turn over effective ownership to wealthy men with slaves. |
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Post by mowlick on Mar 1, 2023 15:17:17 GMT
I don't think that Tiberius Gracchus intended to give land to the veterans. It was more than 20 years after his death that the property qualification was abolished for Roman soldiers, which suggests that they already had their own farms. Unless I've been misinformed, many common soldiers lost their farms as they spent years campaigning far from home. The untended farms weren't producing, and the specter of famine was enough to turn over effective ownership to wealthy men with slaves. Could be, but I believe that the various Legates saw their men straight. They were, after all politicians and did not need a bunch of dissatisfied squaddies causing trouble. |
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