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Post by movieliker on Feb 23, 2023 17:24:29 GMT
I do not agree with most of the ratings or reviews. I've seen both the original and the remake. One after the other.
Both have good acting, good dialog and the best special effects available at the time. And both have a stupid premise. A supposedly advanced alien comes to Earth to enforce unfair hypocrisy.
In the original, the alien says humans are too violent. Either stop fighting, warring and being violent, or our robot police will destroy you.
So? You want us to surrender our freedom and self determination to your fleet of robot police who were not elected, and we cannot communicate with? No thank you. Freedom comes at the price of risks. And what if another alien race destroys your robot police? How are we supposed to defend ourselves?
And? How did your race of aliens get from your original primitive form to this "advanced" form of evolution? Weren't you guys violent? Didn't you guys have war? Didn't you develop technology to defend yourselves from your enemies? Well? Why can't we have the same experience?
I gave both movies a 7 for entertainment value, good acting, good dialog, and best special effects available at the time. I would have given both a 10, but both premises were both stupid.
(The remake premise is just as stupid. The difference is, the supposedly advanced alien says we humans are destroying the planet. So to save the planet, he's going to destroy the humans.
In a conversation with a scientist, the alien realizes his own race of aliens faced their own environmental crisis. And survived. The human scientist says, "Give us the same experience and challenge of dealing with our own environmental crisis.")
Have you seen either?
What do you think?
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Post by yggdrasil on Feb 23, 2023 17:43:09 GMT
The Day After Tomorrow, is the ice age coming movie, do you mean "Day The Earth Stood Still"? With the big robot and "Klaatu barada nikto" ? Not the same film.
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Post by movieliker on Feb 23, 2023 17:48:28 GMT
The Day After Tomorrow, is the ice age coming movie, do you mean "Day The Earth Stood Still"? With the big robot and "Klaatu barada nikto" ? Not the same film. I made a mistake. It's "The Day the Earth Stood Still". Not "The Day After Tomorrow". |
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Post by Flying Monkeys on Feb 23, 2023 18:07:07 GMT
Gimme Independence Day any time.
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Post by movieliker on Feb 23, 2023 18:14:24 GMT
Gimme Independence Day any time. Independence Day is just as stupid. All three are good --- not great --- films. |
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Post by ayatollah on Feb 23, 2023 20:28:37 GMT
I've seen both, the 1950's version where Gort is going to destroy us because we're warlike, and the 00's version where we're going to be destroyed if we don't stop destroying the environment.
I found the 00's version to be a little more moral.
The 50's version was "Stop having war or I'll have a war". Utter silliness, but at some level that's how the world works. It's about who can force or fool people into doing their will.
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Post by Flying Monkeys on Feb 23, 2023 20:52:38 GMT
Gimme Independence Day any time. Independence Day is just as stupid. All three are good --- not great --- films. Yawn. Can't you ever give up on this pretend intellectuality and just enjoy a film? |
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Post by mowlick on Feb 23, 2023 23:14:30 GMT
Independence Day is just as stupid. All three are good --- not great --- films. Yawn. Can't you ever give up on this pretend intellectuality and just enjoy a film? Quite.
In Forbidden Planet the cook had Robby the Robot manufacture hotch, which made it one of the most realistic movies I have ever seen
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Post by movieliker on Feb 24, 2023 0:32:10 GMT
Independence Day is just as stupid. All three are good --- not great --- films. Yawn. Can't you ever give up on this pretend intellectuality and just enjoy a film? I enjoy separating the entertainment value of movies from their realism and logic. 👇👇👇 ---- My OP told you why the two versions of The Day the Earth Stood Still was stupid. Independence Day is stupid because --- why are the aliens only destroying famous landmarks? Instead of military bases and resources? Why did the human earthlings not discover the super huge alien spaceships until they were already over famous human landmarks? What happen to all the satellites and telescopes? --- Man !!! That felt good !!! 😁😁😁 |
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Post by Flying Monkeys on Feb 24, 2023 7:33:10 GMT
Independence Day is stupid because --- why are the aliens only destroying famous landmarks? Instead of military bases and resources? You mean like the White House.... where the leader of the US is? Well golly, I can't think why they would want to attack the place where the leader is. What? That was clearly shown near the beginning. Listen, if you're bringing this level of 'intellectuality' to it, you don't get to comment. |
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Post by yggdrasil on Feb 24, 2023 9:43:33 GMT
Ringo Starr liked it...  |
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Post by PaulsLaugh on Feb 24, 2023 11:45:08 GMT
It is based on the novella, Farwell to the Master. At the end of the story, Gort, or Gnut in the book, is the master.
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Post by movieliker on Feb 24, 2023 14:49:08 GMT
Independence Day is stupid because --- why are the aliens only destroying famous landmarks? Instead of military bases and resources? You mean like the White House.... where the leader of the US is? Well golly, I can't think why they would want to attack the place where the leader is. What? That was clearly shown near the beginning. Listen, if you're bringing this level of 'intellectuality' to it, you don't get to comment. No. Today we have telescopes that see meteorites and comets coming weeks and months in advance. And they are much smaller and faster than the huge spaceships the aliens in Independence Day came in. In the movie nobody noticed the spaceships until they were past the moon and interfering with the reception signals on Earth. --- Those aliens were not very effective or efficient with their attack. They destroyed the White House. But the president was able to escape in a slow jumbo jet. Not a small and fast fighter jet. If I remember correctly, the alien destroyed the Eiffel Tower in Paris among other famous landmarks on Earth that have no strategic value. It was done for movie dramatic affect. Not military strategic value. |
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Post by Flying Monkeys on Feb 24, 2023 15:34:59 GMT
You mean like the White House.... where the leader of the US is? Well golly, I can't think why they would want to attack the place where the leader is. What? That was clearly shown near the beginning. Listen, if you're bringing this level of 'intellectuality' to it, you don't get to comment. No. Today we have telescopes that see meteorites and comets coming weeks and months in advance. And they are much smaller and faster than the huge spaceships the aliens in Independence Day came in. No. Only a tiny fraction of meteors and stuff are known to us. Plenty get right on top of us, or past us, without being noticed. They have the technology to travel light years with ease and you don't think they might have the technology to evade detection? Come on, even your air force can do the basics of that now. What's interesting is that you moaned about Dune that they had all of this tech but not that tech, and here you are with this lot basing your argument on them having this tech but not that tech. Surely you should be saying that they should have detection evasion tech and therefore accept that they could sneak up, because it would be ludicrous, by your own argument in Dune, for them not to have evasion tech. And if they had obliterated everything, no movie. Congratulations, you just made the dullest movie ever. Congratulations again, you are beginning to understand what movie making is about. |
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Post by movieliker on Feb 24, 2023 16:19:48 GMT
No. Today we have telescopes that see meteorites and comets coming weeks and months in advance. And they are much smaller and faster than the huge spaceships the aliens in Independence Day came in. No. Only a tiny fraction of meteors and stuff are known to us. Plenty get right on top of us, or past us, without being noticed. They have the technology to travel light years with ease and you don't think they might have the technology to evade detection? Come on, even your air force can do the basics of that now. What's interesting is that you moaned about Dune that they had all of this tech but not that tech, and here you are with this lot basing your argument on them having this tech but not that tech. Surely you should be saying that they should have detection evasion tech and therefore accept that they could sneak up, because it would be ludicrous, by your own argument in Dune, for them not to have evasion tech. And if they had obliterated everything, no movie. Congratulations, you just made the dullest movie ever. Congratulations again, you are beginning to understand what movie making is about. I already understood. As I told you two posts before, I enjoy separating the entertainment value from the reality and logic. I enjoyed Independence Day. But I also see the difference between reality and fiction. I enjoyed both versions of The Day the Earth Stood Still. |
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