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Post by ayatollah on Mar 18, 2023 2:18:27 GMT
Since Bethany Mandel's embarrassing response to Briana Joy Gray it's become a topic.
I love Briana, IMO she is one of the last real journalists and Mandel is a stupid hack. It's not the first time she has been stumped speechless and if you're going to write a book on wokeness you'd better have a definition.
Anyhow if you're going to use the word, be able to define it.
I have a short and long definition:
Woke: 1) weaponized victim hierarchy
2) Misuse, misrepresentation, exaggeration or invention of social prejudices to gain personal advantage or advantage for a group, or to attack a group you hate.
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Post by PaulsLaugh on Mar 18, 2023 4:24:05 GMT
Since Bethany Mandel's embarrassing response to Briana Joy Gray it's become a topic. I love Briana, IMO she is one of the last real journalists and Mandel is a stupid hack. It's not the first time she has been stumped speechless and if you're going to write a book on wokeness you'd better have a definition. Anyhow if you're going to use the word, be able to define it. I have a short and long definition: Woke: 1) weaponized victim hierarchy 2) Misuse, misrepresentation, exaggeration or invention of social prejudices to gain personal advantage or advantage for a group, or to attack a group you hate. Racism and sexism are not inventions. And white men being absolute assholes about their identity crisis is not exaggeration. As far as attacking a group you hate, you have hated me from the moment you realized I was a liberal. So Woke is just more Right Wing butthurt BS. s
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Post by ayatollah on Mar 18, 2023 4:49:27 GMT
Since Bethany Mandel's embarrassing response to Briana Joy Gray it's become a topic. I love Briana, IMO she is one of the last real journalists and Mandel is a stupid hack. It's not the first time she has been stumped speechless and if you're going to write a book on wokeness you'd better have a definition. Anyhow if you're going to use the word, be able to define it. I have a short and long definition: Woke: 1) weaponized victim hierarchy 2) Misuse, misrepresentation, exaggeration or invention of social prejudices to gain personal advantage or advantage for a group, or to attack a group you hate. Racism and sexism are not inventions. They're not, but I also said "misused, misrepresented or exaggerated". White women will be thrown under the bus once whites are a small enough percentage of the population, they won't need to divide us. I've never hated you. You're frustrating but still I like talking to you.
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Post by Prince Myshkin on Mar 18, 2023 5:27:42 GMT
Political correctness. It's nothing new.
It's also shares some similarities to Orwell's "Newspeak".
Woke has become obsessed with transgender. And that might be its undoing.
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Post by papamihel on Mar 18, 2023 5:30:22 GMT
It's not bad. I feel like something is missing in your definitions. I'll need to think about it.
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Post by blacktothefuture on Mar 18, 2023 5:44:51 GMT
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Post by Flying Monkeys on Mar 18, 2023 8:18:03 GMT
Yes, one stupid person means everyone thinks that. All leftists want communism, don't you know.
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Post by Flying Monkeys on Mar 18, 2023 8:27:41 GMT
Maybe it's different here, or maybe it's just me, but that's not how I see wokeism.
People have been playing victim forever, that's nothing new.
The new part is people making out that other people are victims (when those people are saying nothing) and becoming their representative in order to make a statement to their own peers. I.e. taking on a cause that doesn't exist and using it for self-promotion in their group. This requires the element of delusion to make the cause up and an element of delusion to think you will be believed.
On top of that, there's the new wave of believing that one's own feelings surpass all other needs. E.g. at work, it's more important to get the spiritual bean bags right so I can meditate and explore my feelings about the day than to sell some stuff.
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Post by PaulsLaugh on Mar 18, 2023 8:55:45 GMT
Racism and sexism are not inventions. They're not, but I also said "misused, misrepresented or exaggerated". White women will be thrown under the bus once whites are a small enough percentage of the population, they won't need to divide us. I've never hated you. You're frustrating but still I like talking to you. Not for someone on the receiving end of it. It’s easy for you say that women and blacks are faking it all and racism and sexism really don’t exist anymore, while at time claiming blacks people and women are oppressing white men.
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Post by yggdrasil on Mar 18, 2023 10:47:46 GMT
There's a danger of believing "woke" is a living organism where everyone has a hive mind, reality is that within that definition is people who genuinely fight for various causes and then those who are just trying to be "right on" and those pushing extreme agendas (Trans comes to mind). No one is interested in the genuine fights within it, they just look for the extreme few idiots with ridiculous agendas and make news stories out of them (media) or use them to prove a point (social media/message boards) This increases the (undue) seriousness with which they are taken which in turn makes an even bigger story and a fear of pushing against that new heightened narrative. Therefore often one person can say something stupid and it ends up reported as if it was a groundswell of opinion. Not sure how you change it, it's a social media/meme style mentality that exists on both sides of the political spectrum (only one side gets the label "woke") and is probably going to get worse due largely to lazy journalism and attempts of media to fill 24 hour news cycles.
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Post by stammerhead on Mar 18, 2023 10:57:18 GMT
It all depends on who is using the word.
:)
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Post by Flying Monkeys on Mar 18, 2023 11:11:42 GMT
No one is interested in the genuine fights within it, they just look for the extreme few idiots with ridiculous agendas and make news stories out of them (media) Daily Mail in a nutshell. Plus that twitter post above.
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Post by stammerhead on Mar 18, 2023 11:17:51 GMT
Yes, one stupid person means everyone thinks that. All leftists want communism, don't you know. I want good communism. I don’t want bad communism. Bad communism isn’t woke. :)
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Post by Power Ranger on Mar 18, 2023 11:17:56 GMT
A simple definition is ‘ridiculous pandering to minorities’.
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Post by Hairynosedwombat on Mar 18, 2023 11:42:31 GMT
Since Bethany Mandel's embarrassing response to Briana Joy Gray it's become a topic. I love Briana, IMO she is one of the last real journalists and Mandel is a stupid hack. It's not the first time she has been stumped speechless and if you're going to write a book on wokeness you'd better have a definition. Anyhow if you're going to use the word, be able to define it. I have a short and long definition: Woke: 1) weaponized victim hierarchy 2) Misuse, misrepresentation, exaggeration or invention of social prejudices to gain personal advantage or advantage for a group, or to attack a group you hate. That might be your dream of the new right wing insult, and you are righy to try to define it, but usually it is used differently. Woke = liberal.
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