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Post by Fetzer Zinfandel ♀︎ on May 12, 2023 13:12:27 GMT
Who said that besides you? Unless I'm misremembering, Texas has the highest homicide rate in the country by about a factor of two because of Mexican gang violence. One of those nuances lost on gun grabbers. I'm referring to when Trump said there are bad guys at the border and the Dems went batshit crazy over it. Stop lying. |
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Post by abbey1227 on May 12, 2023 13:15:35 GMT
Manos arribas!
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Post by mikemonger on May 12, 2023 13:19:11 GMT
49 Pennsylvania 3.3 per 100k Damn. I thought for sure we'd be MUCH higher than that, because Philly. |
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Post by abbey1227 on May 12, 2023 13:20:53 GMT
I should have looked it up. I meant to write, number of homicides, not rate. Texas has the 2nd highest number of murders, not sure about homicides. Isn't it the 2nd most populous state?
By number doesn't really reflect dangerWe're still the most populous state & we're down around #26 on that list.
so you're using MY anti-per capita argument now? :P
I see Michigan, Maryland, Missouri, Louisiana and DC are all ahead of both Texas and Cali......... my guess would be cities like DETROIT, BALTIMORE, ST.LOUIS, NEW ORLEANS and especially our nations Capitol make up a good chunk of those numbers all by themselves. Chicago gets a pass because of the per capita argument, imo.
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Post by jaypat99 on May 12, 2023 13:25:05 GMT
49 Pennsylvania 3.3 per 100k Damn. I thought for sure we'd be MUCH higher than that, because Philly. The reality is safe, unless you live in a high crime drug/gang area, you're pretty darn safe. 73% of our homicides take place in 5% of the counties in the US... That's out of over 3,000 counties. |
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Post by abbey1227 on May 12, 2023 14:05:54 GMT
so you're using MY anti-per capita argument now? :P
I see Michigan, Maryland, Missouri, Louisiana and DC are all ahead of both Texas and Cali......... my guess would be cities like DETROIT, BALTIMORE, ST.LOUIS, NEW ORLEANS and especially our nations Capitol make up a good chunk of those numbers all by themselves. Chicago gets a pass because of the per capita argument, imo.
Where is NYC on those lists?
New York State was 39 on the list. Lower than places like Iowa or Wisconsin or Nebraska. So do you think that per capita argument has some validity yet?
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Post by abbey1227 on May 12, 2023 14:15:12 GMT
New York State was 39 on the list. Lower than places like Iowa or Wisconsin or Nebraska. So do you think that per capita argument has some validity yet?
I never argued against per capita numbers. I just pointed out every state has a large city which will have higher numbers than the rest of the state. I also pointed out when looking at big cities ONLY, NYC was still lower in the list. That’s when you had a conniption, lol. Such as this list, which is still based on per capita data, but focusing only on cities instead of diluting the numbers with the whole state. drexel.edu/uhc/resources/briefs/BCHC%20Gun%20Deaths/ Where is NYC on this list?
I didn't have a conniption......... I was merely pointing out places like Chicago get a statistical pass because they're very large and actually consist of many, many, many more smaller towns, villages and neighborhoods.........many of which are perfectly safe. But the REALLY bad areas ARE really, really bad.
jaypat has mentioned many times that of the over 3,000 counties that the US has, just 40 of them account for the vast majority of gun crimes/ If we eliminated those few statistically........we'd come off looking better than a ton of other countries you guys claim are much safer.
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Post by abbey1227 on May 12, 2023 14:32:23 GMT
I didn't have a conniption......... I was merely pointing out places like Chicago get a statistical pass because they're very large and actually consist of many, many, many more smaller towns, villages and neighborhoods.........many of which are perfectly safe. But the REALLY bad areas ARE really, really bad.
jaypat has mentioned many times that of the over 3,000 counties that the US has, just 40 of them account for the vast majority of gun crimes/ If we eliminated those few statistically........we'd come off looking better than a ton of other countries you guys claim are much safer.
Chicago is on the list I provided, much higher than NYC. Your position was that NYC was the most dangerous city, and you can’t find a single shred of data to support it.
I don't normally demand links or proof or whatever........but I said NYC was the most dangerous? I don't recall that at all.
It was bad in Times Square years ago before Rudy got elected.........but NYC has been better than Chicago for a long time, from what I understand.
Maybe you mixed me up with another poster?
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Post by merh on May 13, 2023 2:45:41 GMT
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Post by merh on May 13, 2023 2:47:19 GMT
Isn't it the 2nd most populous state?
By number doesn't really reflect dangerWe're still the most populous state & we're down around #26 on that list.
so you're using MY anti-per capita argument now? :P
I see Michigan, Maryland, Missouri, Louisiana and DC are all ahead of both Texas and Cali......... my guess would be cities like DETROIT, BALTIMORE, ST.LOUIS, NEW ORLEANS and especially our nations Capitol make up a good chunk of those numbers all by themselves. Chicago gets a pass because of the per capita argument, imo.
I'm saying population size matters. 100 murders in a state of 1 million is way more of a dent than 100 in a state with 5 million. |
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Post by merh on May 13, 2023 2:53:27 GMT
I never argued against per capita numbers. I just pointed out every state has a large city which will have higher numbers than the rest of the state. I also pointed out when looking at big cities ONLY, NYC was still lower in the list. That’s when you had a conniption, lol. Such as this list, which is still based on per capita data, but focusing only on cities instead of diluting the numbers with the whole state. drexel.edu/uhc/resources/briefs/BCHC%20Gun%20Deaths/ Where is NYC on this list?
I didn't have a conniption......... I was merely pointing out places like Chicago get a statistical pass because they're very large and actually consist of many, many, many more smaller towns, villages and neighborhoods.........many of which are perfectly safe. But the REALLY bad areas ARE really, really bad.
jaypat has mentioned many times that of the over 3,000 counties that the US has, just 40 of them account for the vast majority of gun crimes/ If we eliminated those few statistically........we'd come off looking better than a ton of other countries you guys claim are much safer.
Keep tweaking those numbers. You'll get them where you want them. |
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Post by winstonwolfe on May 13, 2023 3:03:07 GMT
Just send this guy  |
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Post by abbey1227 on May 13, 2023 12:00:47 GMT
so you're using MY anti-per capita argument now? :P
I see Michigan, Maryland, Missouri, Louisiana and DC are all ahead of both Texas and Cali......... my guess would be cities like DETROIT, BALTIMORE, ST.LOUIS, NEW ORLEANS and especially our nations Capitol make up a good chunk of those numbers all by themselves. Chicago gets a pass because of the per capita argument, imo.
I'm saying population size matters. 100 murders in a state of 1 million is way more of a dent than 100 in a state with 5 million.
And I've said some larger places like Chicago get a pass on the extreme levels of violence they have because they've combined so many smaller bergs into their 'city limits'.
So sometimes per capita is a misleading stat, imo
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Post by abbey1227 on May 13, 2023 12:01:40 GMT
Keep tweaking those numbers. You'll get them where you want them.
I'm not the authority doing the tweaking.
MY numbers work out very well for me.
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