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Post by jeffersoncody on May 12, 2023 3:33:45 GMT
It's so weird, much of the ANC are a bunch of corrupt old dinosaurs steeped in ancient ideology, but South Africa has one of the most potent and liberal Constitutions in the world. I mean, you can go to jail for insulting gay people here, and the whole pronoun thing is fucking huge in schools. Unlike Russia, there is free speech in South Africa and the media do not ever side with the government. SA is nothing like Russia. Just saying. I can, however, believe that local criminals, corrupt cops, gangsters and gun runners in SA etc might want to sell their confiscated guns and or stolen guns to anybody who will pay for the. We shall see where this goes. You can go to jail for insulting gay people, but you have free speech? There is a huge fucking difference between free speech and hate speech Jaypat.
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Post by jaypat99 on May 12, 2023 3:37:21 GMT
You can go to jail for insulting gay people, but you have free speech? There is a huge fucking difference between free speech and hate speech Jaypat.ย So you're not free to say that you dislike other groups, or bad things about those groups, but somehow you think that's free speech? I'm definitely glad that our free speech is nothing like that. And I'd hate the government deciding on who I was free to talk about.
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Post by jeffersoncody on May 12, 2023 3:39:52 GMT
There is a huge fucking difference between free speech and hate speech Jaypat. So you're not free to say that you dislike other groups, or bad things about those groups, but somehow you think that's free speech? I'm definitely glad that our free speech is nothing like that. And I'd hate the government deciding on who I was free to talk about. I am a free speech absolutist, but I do have a problem with folk hating on gay people.
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Post by jaypat99 on May 12, 2023 3:43:54 GMT
So you're not free to say that you dislike other groups, or bad things about those groups, but somehow you think that's free speech? I'm definitely glad that our free speech is nothing like that. And I'd hate the government deciding on who I was free to talk about. I am a freeย speech absolutist, but I do have a problem with folk hating on gay people.ย I have a problem with people hating on any people, gay, Black, or whatever. But I don't want to live anywhere that jails people for voicing differences in opinions. Even if that opinion is of MY PEOPLE. That's not really freedom. Definitely not the freedom I've grown up to expect.
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Post by jeffersoncody on May 12, 2023 4:10:37 GMT
I have a problem with people hating on any people, gay, Black, or whatever. But I don't want to live anywhere that jails people for voicing differences in opinions. Even if that opinion is of MY PEOPLE. That's not really freedom. Definitely not the freedom I've grown up to expect. I kinda agree with you Jaypat, but for the record book, no one in SA has been jailed for hating on gay people yet. Also, there was ZERO freedom of speech in apartheid South Africa. We are basically on the same page here, it's not worth arguing about.
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Post by jaypat99 on May 12, 2023 4:13:48 GMT
I have a problem with people hating on any people, gay, Black, or whatever. But I don't want to live anywhere that jails people for voicing differences in opinions. Even if that opinion is of MY PEOPLE. That's not really freedom. Definitely not the freedom I've grown up to expect. I kinda agree with you Jaypat, but for the record book, no one in SA has been jailed for hating on gay people yet. Also, there was ZERO freedom of speech in apartheid South Africa. We are basically on the same page here, it's not worth arguing about. I'm not arguing at all. I'm just stating what I THINK free speech should mean. Which we possibly agree on.
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Post by jeffersoncody on May 12, 2023 4:33:15 GMT
I kinda agree with you Jaypat, but for the record book, no one in SA has been jailed for hating on gay people yet. Also, there was ZERO freedom of speech in apartheid South Africa. We are basically on the same page here, it's not worth arguing about. I'm not arguing at all. I'm just stating what I THINK free speech should mean. Which we possibly agree on. On a completely different note, have you seen Guy Ritchie's THE COVENANT yet. Fuck, I thought it was excellent, and so moving - I cried through the whole of the last 15 minutes. Gripping, top notch entertainment, it doesn't have a woke bone in its body. Check it out if you haven't seen it yet.
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Post by My NoRevisionism Pillow on May 12, 2023 4:39:30 GMT
1month board ban for jeff?! ๐ just look at what your little third world country is doing, you are arming an aggressive Nation, in an attack on its peaceful neighbor, you should be ashamed of yourself!
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Post by jeffersoncody on May 12, 2023 5:11:46 GMT
just look at what your little third world country is doing, you are arming an aggressive Nation, in an attack on its peaceful neighbor, you should be ashamed of yourself! LOL, sure. I don't think the SA government are giving arms to Russia, but if they are fuck them.
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Post by jaypat99 on May 12, 2023 5:15:41 GMT
I'm not arguing at all. I'm just stating what I THINK free speech should mean. Which we possibly agree on. On a completely different note, have you seen Guy Ritchie's THE COVENANT yet. Fuck, I thought it was excellent, and so moving - I cried through the whole of the last 15 minutes. Gripping, top notch entertainment, it doesn't have a woke bone in its body. Check it out if you haven't seen it yet. ย I saw it Wednesday. Important story.
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Post by My NoRevisionism Pillow on May 12, 2023 5:30:35 GMT
just look at what your little third world country is doing, you are arming an aggressive Nation, in an attack on its peaceful neighbor, you should be ashamed of yourself! LOL, sure. I don't think the SA government are giving arms to Russia, but if they are fuck them.ย horseshit! even in the old days of the South African apartheid government, South Africa had a booming arms export industry, you can't tell me they're not arming Russia for profit...
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Post by jeffersoncody on May 12, 2023 6:58:16 GMT
๐ง๐ต๐ถ๐ ๐๐๐ผ๐ฟ๐ ๐ผ๐ฟ๐ถ๐ด๐ถ๐ป๐ฎ๐น๐น๐ ๐ฎ๐ถ๐ฟ๐ฒ๐ฑ ๐ผ๐ป ๐ณ ๐ ๐ฎ๐ ๐ฎ๐ฌ๐ฎ๐ฏ.
The ANCโs political allegiance to its Cold War friend, Russia, is causing a political rumpus as a potential visit by Russian President Vladimir Putin forces the South African government to make tough choices. This includes whether it leaves the International Criminal Court (ICC) which may reset its already-damaged global reputation for the worse. The ICC has issued a warrant of arrest for Putin for the kidnapping of thousands of Ukrainian children during the conflict between the neighbours. As South Africa is a signatory to the Rome Statute โ which underpins the ICC โ it would be obliged to arrest Putin if he comes to South Africa for the BRICS summit in August. The Premier of the Western Cape, Alan Winde says he will get his unarmed Law Enforcement Advancement Plan (LEAP) officers to arrest Putin if he strays into the Western Cape, a province under the political control of the opposition. While this throws up the spectacle of the absurd, it has set the cat further among the pigeons, sending the government into a legal huddle as it tries to work out what to do next. Is this political hot potato just one more milestone in South Africaโs slow drift to isolationism, compounded by greylisting, industrial-scale corruption, and clumsy foreign policy? Carte Blanche examines the consequences of pandering to Putin.
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Post by jeffersoncody on May 12, 2023 6:59:44 GMT
LOL, sure. I don't think the SA government are giving arms to Russia, but if they are fuck them. horseshit! even in the old days of the South African apartheid government, South Africa had a booming arms export industry, you can't tell me they're not arming Russia for profit... Don't you know the history of Denel? The SA arms industry is absolutely fucked on a financial level, thanks to the ANC.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2023 8:12:00 GMT
1month board ban for jeff?! ๐ Nah, just ban him from making threads about Trump and Markle. Problem takes care of itself
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2023 8:16:59 GMT
I'm not arguing at all. I'm just stating what I THINK free speech should mean. Which we possibly agree on. On a completely different note, have you seen Guy Ritchie's THE COVENANT yet. Fuck, I thought it was excellent, and so moving - I cried through the whole of the last 15 minutes. Gripping, top notch entertainment, it doesn't have a woke bone in its body. Check it out if you haven't seen it yet. Is that already out? Great. I'd have to recommend this little gem. Severely underrated, it's criminal.
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