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Post by warlock on Jul 6, 2018 19:55:35 GMT
That's it Brazil are out. Belgium 2-1.
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Post by Flying Monkeys on Jul 6, 2018 19:58:41 GMT
Doesn't have to impede a goal. It has to impede the player. If I shoot wide then instantly get kicked in the face by a defender, it's still a foul. If the ball is at one end of the pitch and the goalie kicks a player in the nuts at the other end of the pitch (in the penalty area), is it a penalty? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2018 19:59:50 GMT
Doesn't have to impede a goal. It has to impede the player. If I shoot wide then instantly get kicked in the face by a defender, it's still a foul. If the ball is at one end of the pitch and the goalie kicks a player in the nuts at the other end of the pitch (in the penalty area), is it a penalty? Of course. Why wouldn't it be? |
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Post by Flying Monkeys on Jul 6, 2018 20:07:46 GMT
Of course. Why wouldn't it be? Because it has nothing to do with the play. I would expect a red card but no penalty. Surely a foul has to be relevant to the play for it to be a penalty. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2018 20:11:52 GMT
Of course. Why wouldn't it be? Because it has nothing to do with the play. I would expect a red card but no penalty. Surely a foul has to be relevant to the play for it to be a penalty. All players on the pitch are 'in play.' It would depend on a few things (the ball still being in play for one) but if a player was in the opposition's penalty box, one would assume the play wasn't that far from the box (why else would he be there) and assuming the keeper just attacks him without provocation, the ref can definitely give a penalty. They might not, but they could. |
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Post by Flying Monkeys on Jul 6, 2018 20:18:13 GMT
All players on the pitch are 'in play.' It would depend on a few things (the ball still being in play for one) but if a player was in the opposition's penalty box, one would assume the play wasn't that far from the box (why else would he be there) and assuming the keeper just attacks him without provocation, the ref can definitely give a penalty. They might not, but they could. No, I said the ball was at the other end of the pitch. And by 'the play', I mean what is happening at the specific time of the foul with the ball and where. In my scenario, the play is at the other end of the pitch. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2018 20:25:46 GMT
All players on the pitch are 'in play.' It would depend on a few things (the ball still being in play for one) but if a player was in the opposition's penalty box, one would assume the play wasn't that far from the box (why else would he be there) and assuming the keeper just attacks him without provocation, the ref can definitely give a penalty. They might not, but they could. No, I said the ball was at the other end of the pitch. And by 'the play', I mean what is happening at the specific time of the foul with the ball and where. In my scenario, the play is at the other end of the pitch. Why would a player be in the opposition's box then? That would never happen. Unless he was the one causing trouble. In which case, he's probably the one committing an infringement. But in principle, any foul in the box is a penalty. VAR got this one very wrong. It will be interesting to see what the Brazilians have to say about it. |
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Post by Flying Monkeys on Jul 6, 2018 21:57:24 GMT
Why would a player be in the opposition's box then? That would never happen. Irrelevant, the rules have to cover all possibilities, whether you think it would never happen. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2018 22:20:32 GMT
Why would a player be in the opposition's box then? That would never happen. Irrelevant, the rules have to cover all possibilities, whether you think it would never happen. Perhaps he's injured and lying in the box as play moves away. The keeper then kicks him. Penalty. |
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Post by Flying Monkeys on Jul 7, 2018 10:16:14 GMT
Perhaps he's injured and lying in the box as play moves away. The keeper then kicks him. Penalty. Strange rule, if that's the case. I thought a penalty kick was given when a foul had robbed a player of a chance to score. That is clearly not the case in your example. |
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