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Post by 🐈⬛ Molly 🐈⬛ (FU) on Jun 1, 2023 9:14:59 GMT
Why is that a big problem? Unless your position is that islamophobia is acceptable and anti-semitism is not? As for DEI, why do you consider it a 'stepping stone'? They aren't lowering standards for Jews, or any other group. They are making sure they aren't discriminated against, which I've seen scifive bitch about on these boards for ages, so how can you be against anti-discrimination pushes while also bitching about discrimination against Jews? First of all, Islamophobia is mostly an invented concept. There is certainly a prejudice against Middle-Eastern people but it's just a regular kind of xenophobia. Islam is a system of ideas. When you are not allowed to discuss and challenge ideas, it's not a defense of an oppressed group. It's totalitarianism. And DEI is basically a war on competence and merit. If Jews start getting accepted to universities or jobs because they are Jews and not because they are the best, it will destroy the (admittedly neurotic) Ashkenazi cultural drive for excellence. That would be a big loss for humanity. You’re playing semantics. When people refer to Islamophobia, they aren’t really referring to a fear of Islam, but xenophobia towards those that practice Islam. But you know this And your interpretation of the what DEI is isn’t fact. Sorry. I don’t see any language indicating that they are saying Jews should be accepted into universities or hired for jobs simply for being Jewish. Please point out the passages you read that led you to believe that is what this bill is about.
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Post by PresArvid47 on Jun 1, 2023 17:07:21 GMT
Conspiracies aren't necessary to perpetuate a myth. Meanwhile ignore the brutality of living in a hindu caste system. Atheism is not a religion. I understand that's revolutionary view your orthodox mind can't accept, but its true. The brutality of the Caste system is neither here nor there. Its merely an attempt to deflect from a claim you cannot support. Its not a religion, by definition. "The brutality of the Caste system is neither here nor there. Its merely an attempt to deflect from a claim you cannot support." Easy to say when you aren't the victim of it. Face it, Hindu India was a terrible place. It's a religion as it categorically meets all the criteria.
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Post by darkramj on Jun 1, 2023 17:40:38 GMT
So, dems try to fight anti-semitism and right wingers defending anti-semitism. We won’t hear a peep from SciFive on this. Who said they were trying to fight antisemitism? Sounds like lip-service as usual, virtue signalling. It's one thing to say it...another to mean it. They've failed at it often enough in the past. If Biden and dems fought antisemitism the way they fight inflation, build infrastructure or unity...they would make the holocaust look like an accident. I'm guessing that's what Boebert is saying.
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Post by darkramj on Jun 1, 2023 17:42:13 GMT
Everybody watch this thread and see who is being hostile to Jewish posters here and who is not. It’s an open and shut case. Joe Biden is not being hostile to Jews, yet he’s the one getting damned here. That's a Jew's call, gentile-splainer.
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Post by Xeliou66 on Jun 1, 2023 17:51:58 GMT
This whole plan to crack down on “anti Semitism” is just another way the establishment is trying to destroy free speech and constitutional rights in order to keep people in line with establishment views and make them fear questioning things. They are using the threat of “right wing terrorism” to justify it, the way they used the threat of “radical Muslim terrorism” to pass the Patriot Act and crap like it post 9/11. They hate free speech and free expression and they want to terrorize people into not thinking for themselves and swallowing every lie the establishment tells. So many things are labeled “anti Semitic” now, including being anti war/pro peace, as well as anti establishment and of course anti Israel, that the term “anti Semitism” means nothing. Fuck Biden and fuck his administration for this attack on free expression disguised as a program to promote tolerance.
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Post by SciFive on Jun 1, 2023 18:00:28 GMT
If a Jew calls Yemen a mega-shithole, we’re accused of being Jewish supremacists.
Free speech by the haters is designed to be a one-way street.
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Post by Xeliou66 on Jun 1, 2023 18:32:01 GMT
If a Jew calls Yemen a mega-shithole, we’re accused of being Jewish supremacists. Free speech by the haters is designed to be a one-way street. You are a Jewish supremacist, it’s evident in almost everyone of your posts. And I’ve never called on anyone to curtail your speech, unlike you, who’s pushed for a ban on criticism of Israel. So shove it, hypocrite.
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Post by SciFive on Jun 1, 2023 18:34:49 GMT
If a Jew calls Yemen a mega-shithole, we’re accused of being Jewish supremacists. Free speech by the haters is designed to be a one-way street. You are a Jewish supremacist… You take everything said to you as a personal insult while denying that you ever insult anyone. Your rules are anti-Jew bigotry. (You will call this a personal insult.)
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Post by thorshairspray on Jun 2, 2023 6:15:29 GMT
The brutality of the Caste system is neither here nor there. Its merely an attempt to deflect from a claim you cannot support. Its not a religion, by definition. "The brutality of the Caste system is neither here nor there. Its merely an attempt to deflect from a claim you cannot support." Easy to say when you aren't the victim of it. Face it, Hindu India was a terrible place. It's a religion as it categorically meets all the criteria. I don't give a shit, we're not talking about your deflections. And no, atheism doesn't meet the definition of religion. religion: "a personal set or institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices." Atheism has no attitudes, beliefs or practices. "(1) : the service and worship of God or the supernatural (2) : commitment or devotion to religious faith or observance" It doesn't believe in God and says nothing about the supernatural and has no faith or observences. "a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith" ITs not a cause, principle and has no system of beliefs. But maybe you have some other definition of religion?
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Post by PresArvid47 on Jun 2, 2023 8:16:26 GMT
"The brutality of the Caste system is neither here nor there. Its merely an attempt to deflect from a claim you cannot support." Easy to say when you aren't the victim of it. Face it, Hindu India was a terrible place. It's a religion as it categorically meets all the criteria. I don't give a shit, we're not talking about your deflections. And no, atheism doesn't meet the definition of religion. religion: "a personal set or institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices." Atheism has no attitudes, beliefs or practices. "(1) : the service and worship of God or the supernatural (2) : commitment or devotion to religious faith or observance" It doesn't believe in God and says nothing about the supernatural and has no faith or observences. "a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith" ITs not a cause, principle and has no system of beliefs. But maybe you have some other definition of religion? "I don't give a shit, we're not talking about your deflections." If you are going to use the conquest of India as proof Islam is bad, you have to consider the context. Basic logic. "religion: "a personal set or institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices." Atheism has no attitudes, beliefs or practices. "(1) : the service and worship of God or the supernatural (2) : commitment or devotion to religious faith or observance" It doesn't believe in God and says nothing about the supernatural and has no faith or observences. "a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith" ITs not a cause, principle and has no system of beliefs. But maybe you have some other definition of religion?" Several of them. Many applicable to the discussion, better than your cherry picked ones. From dictionary.com 1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing amoral code governing the conduct of human affairs. 2. a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects: the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion. 3. the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices: a world council of religions. 4. the life or state of a monk, nun, etc.: to enter religion. 5. the practice of religious beliefs; ritual observance of faith. 6. something one believes in and follows devotedly; a point or matter of ethics or conscience:
to make a religion of fighting prejudice. 7. religions, Archaic. religious rites: painted priests performing religions deep into the night. 8. Archaic. strict faithfulness; devotion: a religion to one's vow.
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Post by thorshairspray on Jun 2, 2023 13:24:34 GMT
I don't give a shit, we're not talking about your deflections. And no, atheism doesn't meet the definition of religion. religion: "a personal set or institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices." Atheism has no attitudes, beliefs or practices. "(1) : the service and worship of God or the supernatural (2) : commitment or devotion to religious faith or observance" It doesn't believe in God and says nothing about the supernatural and has no faith or observences. "a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith" ITs not a cause, principle and has no system of beliefs. But maybe you have some other definition of religion? "I don't give a shit, we're not talking about your deflections." If you are going to use the conquest of India as proof Islam is bad, you have to consider the context. Basic logic. "religion: "a personal set or institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices." Atheism has no attitudes, beliefs or practices. "(1) : the service and worship of God or the supernatural (2) : commitment or devotion to religious faith or observance" It doesn't believe in God and says nothing about the supernatural and has no faith or observences. "a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith" ITs not a cause, principle and has no system of beliefs. But maybe you have some other definition of religion?" Several of them. Many applicable to the discussion, better than your cherry picked ones. From dictionary.com 1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing amoral code governing the conduct of human affairs. 2. a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects: the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion. 3. the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices: a world council of religions. 4. the life or state of a monk, nun, etc.: to enter religion. 5. the practice of religious beliefs; ritual observance of faith. 6. something one believes in and follows devotedly; a point or matter of ethics or conscience:
to make a religion of fighting prejudice. 7. religions, Archaic. religious rites: painted priests performing religions deep into the night. 8. Archaic. strict faithfulness; devotion: a religion to one's vow. Lovely. People don't believe in atheism. Thats kinda the point of being an atheist. And its not a matter of ethics or conscience. And thats an equivocation fallacy anyway, because that definition could be applied to any number of things that are not religions, such as communism.
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Post by 🐈⬛ Molly 🐈⬛ (FU) on Jun 2, 2023 13:27:05 GMT
You are a Jewish supremacist… You take everything said to you as a personal insult while denying that you ever insult anyone Oh the irony!!
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Post by PresArvid47 on Jun 2, 2023 17:13:11 GMT
"I don't give a shit, we're not talking about your deflections." If you are going to use the conquest of India as proof Islam is bad, you have to consider the context. Basic logic. "religion: "a personal set or institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices." Atheism has no attitudes, beliefs or practices. "(1) : the service and worship of God or the supernatural (2) : commitment or devotion to religious faith or observance" It doesn't believe in God and says nothing about the supernatural and has no faith or observences. "a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith" ITs not a cause, principle and has no system of beliefs. But maybe you have some other definition of religion?" Several of them. Many applicable to the discussion, better than your cherry picked ones. From dictionary.com 1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing amoral code governing the conduct of human affairs. 2. a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects: the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion. 3. the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices: a world council of religions. 4. the life or state of a monk, nun, etc.: to enter religion. 5. the practice of religious beliefs; ritual observance of faith. 6. something one believes in and follows devotedly; a point or matter of ethics or conscience:
to make a religion of fighting prejudice. 7. religions, Archaic. religious rites: painted priests performing religions deep into the night. 8. Archaic. strict faithfulness; devotion: a religion to one's vow. Lovely. People don't believe in atheism. Thats kinda the point of being an atheist. And its not a matter of ethics or conscience. And thats an equivocation fallacy anyway, because that definition could be applied to any number of things that are not religions, such as communism. "Lovely. People don't believe in atheism. Thats kinda the point of being an atheist. And its not a matter of ethics or conscience." And it isn't logical. Agnostics are logical. "And thats an equivocation fallacy anyway," You can label any comparison you don't like as equivocation fallacy while ignoring an atheist and a theist both check the same group of neighboring boxes when filling out a census. "because that definition could be applied to any number of things that are not religions, such as communism." Funny, you began this whole discussion about religion being an idea.
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Post by thorshairspray on Jun 3, 2023 6:00:53 GMT
Lovely. People don't believe in atheism. Thats kinda the point of being an atheist. And its not a matter of ethics or conscience. And thats an equivocation fallacy anyway, because that definition could be applied to any number of things that are not religions, such as communism. "Lovely. People don't believe in atheism. Thats kinda the point of being an atheist. And its not a matter of ethics or conscience." And it isn't logical. Agnostics are logical. "And thats an equivocation fallacy anyway," You can label any comparison you don't like as equivocation fallacy while ignoring an atheist and a theist both check the same group of neighboring boxes when filling out a census. "because that definition could be applied to any number of things that are not religions, such as communism." Funny, you began this whole discussion about religion being an idea. "And it isn't logical. Agnostics are logical." Not believing in something for which there is no evidence or good reason to believe in it isn't logical? Ok....So is it illogical to also not believe in Bigfoot, Nessie, Werewolves, Elves, Dwarves, Dragons and all other creatures people have claimed existed? Or are we going to enter into a special pleading fallacy? And agnosticism and atheism are not mutually exclusive, since they don't address the same thing. "You can label any comparison you don't like as equivocation fallacy while ignoring an atheist and a theist both check the same group of neighboring boxes when filling out a census." No you can't. You are using the word "Religion" differently, you have used a second meaning for the word to try to prove the first meaning. Thats an equivocation fallacy and I didn't dispute an example because you didn't offer one. "Funny, you began this whole discussion about religion being an idea" It is an idea. You understand that while all religions are idea, not all ideas are religious, right?
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