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Post by darkramj on Jun 16, 2023 14:37:06 GMT
Right wingers say they hate nepotism. I thought Kennedy was left.... (am in UK so knowledge of US politics limited) In fact my knowledge UK politics is limited Sort of. The Kennedy family is DNC royalty and that solidly implies he leans left in the classical sense. But here in the US, the contemporary left has become more extreme than the classical and traditional left-leaning liberals one would associate the Kennedy's with. It's a rather popular perception that many who would identify their values as liberal have not shifted to the right...but that the far left moved the line while the classic liberals did not ideologically move with it. |
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Post by DalekFred on Jun 16, 2023 14:43:42 GMT
Nepo Baby? The lineage augurs well...... Right wingers say they hate nepotism. Just ask Jared and Ivanka and Eric and Don Jr. |
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Post by Factchecker3Point0 on Jun 16, 2023 14:48:27 GMT
The same people who chanted "Lock her up" at Sanders rallys are flocking to him.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2023 14:55:46 GMT
The same people who chanted "Lock her up" at Sanders rallys are flocking to him. Yeah. The same people tired of the open corruption of the Biden/Hillary politicians. They're antiwar and anti-corporatist. |
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Post by bartlesby on Jun 16, 2023 15:19:11 GMT
The same people who chanted "Lock her up" at Sanders rallys are flocking to him. Yeah. The same people tired of the open corruption of the Biden/Hillary politicians. They're antiwar and anti-corporatist. Nah, most of those folks will be inclined towards Williamson. The conspiracy-minded kooks will go for RFK Jr. They're two distinct groups of anti-corporate leftie. |
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Post by darkramj on Jun 16, 2023 15:24:33 GMT
The same people who chanted "Lock her up" at Sanders rallys are flocking to him. Yeah. The same people tired of the open corruption of the Biden/Hillary politicians. They're antiwar and anti-corporatist. I think the main reason he's been given any significance at all is because the DNC fears Biden/Harris is an albatross around their neck and they want someone more sentient queued up should they decide to cut their losses. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2023 15:24:48 GMT
Yeah. The same people tired of the open corruption of the Biden/Hillary politicians. They're antiwar and anti-corporatist. Nah, most of those folks will be inclined towards Williamson. The conspiracy-minded kooks will go for RFK Jr. They're two distinct groups of anti-corporate leftie. The pastor? Yeah, that's not going to happen.
And she supports reparations. She'll fail just as spectacularly as she did in 2020 running for POTUS. RFK Jr is already well ahead of her at any point in 2020. |
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Post by Lux on Jun 16, 2023 15:28:30 GMT
Right wingers say they hate nepotism. Just ask Jared and Ivanka and Eric and Don Jr. Or Hillary Clinton. |
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Post by bartlesby on Jun 16, 2023 15:29:25 GMT
Nah, most of those folks will be inclined towards Williamson. The conspiracy-minded kooks will go for RFK Jr. They're two distinct groups of anti-corporate leftie. The pastor? Yeah, that's not going to happen.
And she supports reparations. She'll fail just as spectacularly as she did in 2020 running for POTUS. RFK Jr is already well ahead of her at any point in 2020. Well, they're both fated to lose and drop their candidacies, neither wanting to be seen as responsible for ushering a criminal Trump or an even-further-to-the-right DeSantis. I'm talking more about the people who'd support one over the other. Williamson has cred among the pragmatic left where as RFK Jr. appeals to the left who thinks the CIA puts microchips in their oatmeal. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2023 15:33:55 GMT
The pastor? Yeah, that's not going to happen.
And she supports reparations. She'll fail just as spectacularly as she did in 2020 running for POTUS. RFK Jr is already well ahead of her at any point in 2020. Well, they're both fated to lose and drop their candidacies, neither wanting to be seen as responsible for ushering a criminal Trump or an even-further-to-the-right DeSantis. I'm talking more about the people who'd support one over the other. Williamson has cred among the pragmatic left where as RFK Jr. appeals to the left who thinks the CIA puts microchips in their oatmeal. That's the thing. Williamson isn't a pragmatist at all. That's what doomed her campaign in 2020 where she made it all about LGBT rights. She was popular on Twitter....but not in the real world where there isn't an echo chamber. Likewise, there's nothing "pragmatic" about reparations. RFK Jr has appeal from more than just the furthest left of the DNC base. He's a populist. Williamson is basically like Mike Huckabee. Sure, Huckabee was great at winning the evangelicals...but not much else. And in a general election, that won't cut it. Actually she's more like Santorum in terms of support. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2023 15:46:34 GMT
Agreed, I think a bunch of Republicans who have no intent of voting for him are artificially pumping him up. Obviously. Kennedy is THE political nepo baby. He did not inherit his father's intelligence and that will be apparent when he's on the national stage without a script. In the meantime, Republicans are promoting him as a strategy. Dems have done the same. Little in political campaigns are new. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2023 15:55:37 GMT
Agreed, I think a bunch of Republicans who have no intent of voting for him are artificially pumping him up. Obviously. Kennedy is THE political nepo baby. He did not inherit his father's intelligence and that will be apparent when he's on the national stage without a script. In the meantime, Republicans are promoting him as a strategy. Dems have done the same. Little in political campaigns are new. As opposed to the mental giant Biden? Lol. RFK Jr will be fine on the national stage. In fact, he'll absolutely obliterate Biden who so clearly has dementia. |
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Post by darkramj on Jun 16, 2023 16:14:02 GMT
Agreed, I think a bunch of Republicans who have no intent of voting for him are artificially pumping him up. Obviously. Kennedy is THE political nepo baby. He did not inherit his father's intelligence and that will be apparent when he's on the national stage without a script. In the meantime, Republicans are promoting him as a strategy. Dems have done the same. Little in political campaigns are new. The nepotism charge is a bit harsh. I can fully appreciate the liability that comes with the name, but nepotism involves giving a job to someone just because they are a member of a family and RFK Jr. is not seeking a job that can be given in any such way. It's entirely reasonable to choose advisors who's qualifications, ethic and acumen you know intimately. A family member is someone in that position too. The absence of any such competence when being given the job is what makes nepotism a foul idea. Jamie Lee Curtis can call herself a nepo-baby...but the fact is she's demonstrated a talent for the work regardless of how easily her heritage provided the opportunity. Also, politics is literally the Kennedy family business. It's not nepotism when the children of teachers grow up to become teachers or the children of farmers grow up to become farmers. It's just a field they have a life-long familiarity with. |
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Post by abbey1227 on Jun 16, 2023 16:20:43 GMT
Obviously. Kennedy is THE political nepo baby. He did not inherit his father's intelligence and that will be apparent when he's on the national stage without a script. In the meantime, Republicans are promoting him as a strategy. Dems have done the same. Little in political campaigns are new. The nepotism charge is a bit harsh. I can fully appreciate the liability that comes with the name, but nepotism involves giving a job to someone just because they are a member of a family and RFK Jr. is not seeking a job that can be given in any such way. It's entirely reasonable to choose advisors who's qualifications, ethic and acumen you know intimately. A family member is someone in that position too. The absence of any such competence when being given the job is what makes nepotism a foul idea. Also, politics is literally the Kennedy family business. It's not nepotism when the children of teachers grow up to become teachers or the children of farmers grow up to become farmers. It's just a field they have a life-long familiarity with.
I also heard some telling stats on the American public's loss of trust in things like the MSM, FBO/DoJ, and the science and medical communities over the last few years.
RFK's numbers may just be 'High' compared to how low so many other people and groups are currently. Like Congress. And especially the president.
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Post by darkramj on Jun 16, 2023 16:29:54 GMT
The nepotism charge is a bit harsh. I can fully appreciate the liability that comes with the name, but nepotism involves giving a job to someone just because they are a member of a family and RFK Jr. is not seeking a job that can be given in any such way. It's entirely reasonable to choose advisors who's qualifications, ethic and acumen you know intimately. A family member is someone in that position too. The absence of any such competence when being given the job is what makes nepotism a foul idea. Also, politics is literally the Kennedy family business. It's not nepotism when the children of teachers grow up to become teachers or the children of farmers grow up to become farmers. It's just a field they have a life-long familiarity with.
I also heard some telling stats on the American public's loss of trust in things like the MSM, FBO/DoJ, and the science and medical communities over the last few years.
RFK's numbers may just be 'High' compared to how low so many other people and groups are currently. Like Congress. And especially the president.
I'm aware. There is definitely a "trust-vacuum"...but be careful and dispassionate about those who rush in to fill it. There is opportunity in that, and opportunity attracts opportunists. Do as you will. But for me, I will not factor my approval of one candidate according to how much disapproval there is of other entities...it's an easy thing to manipulate people's choices with. |
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