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Post by petrolino on Jul 29, 2023 7:13:59 GMT
Lots of other British bands too.
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Post by yggdrasil on Jul 29, 2023 8:18:20 GMT
Not sure how much British bands care about the "institution" They usually go along with it as it's an industry thing and you need to play nice but it's rather a ridiculous idea. I mean it's rock 'n' roll and a "hall of fame" is a bit silly, is it not?
Probably a lot more important to Americans as it comes from one of their sports the idea, I believe.
The number of biographies I have read where bands loathe the whole American PR machine stuff is endless. It seems to be part of the whole industry there though..bands cannot do a gig without the whole "meet and greet" (known to bands as shake and fake) stuff for hours before and after where they have to meet and fawn to all the record company bigwigs in each area.
Still, if they don't act like performing monkeys the staff don't publicise them properly. Success in the US seems to have a lot less to do with talent than "playing the game"
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Post by petrolino on Aug 4, 2023 20:22:57 GMT
Not sure how much British bands care about the "institution" They usually go along with it as it's an industry thing and you need to play nice but it's rather a ridiculous idea. I mean it's rock 'n' roll and a "hall of fame" is a bit silly, is it not? Probably a lot more important to Americans as it comes from one of their sports the idea, I believe. The number of biographies I have read where bands loathe the whole American PR machine stuff is endless. It seems to be part of the whole industry there though..bands cannot do a gig without the whole "meet and greet" (known to bands as shake and fake) stuff for hours before and after where they have to meet and fawn to all the record company bigwigs in each area. Still, if they don't act like performing monkeys the staff don't publicise them properly. Success in the US seems to have a lot less to do with talent than "playing the game"
I agree to an extent, it's a promotional tool and a popularity contest, but I feel it's also important to add that most every profession and institution etc. seems to introduce awards schemes of some kind.
I see also positives. I got in to Judas Priest recently due to the publicity generated by their induction (it's good for their sales and musicians are always banging on about lost royalties, bad contracts, sueing each other etc.) When Rob Halford was on stage with Dolly Parton is when I think he was truly overcome with emotion, he said as much, to be able to perform with a pioneer of music.
I witnessed all the same pomp and circumstance recently with the fawning, yawning meet and greet culture at Wimbledon Lawn Tennis Association, that most English of institutions, yet I still feel the moment tennis players genuinely love is when they see their name being added to a wall of names of players who inspired them - most top players are also students of the game and I imagine the Rock Hall is no different as some musicians who knock it seem to change their tune overnight once they gain induction. I'd find it pretty cool to see my name alongside those who've been inducted, though I'd hate to have to go through the formalities and ceremonial side.
But for the three bands I mentioned (and Judas Priest) I could have said the Moody Blues, Deep Purple and ELO just as easily, it's been a great boost for British bands whereas bands who don't sing in English seem to rarely get a look-in.
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Post by yggdrasil on Aug 5, 2023 11:12:01 GMT
Not sure how much British bands care about the "institution" They usually go along with it as it's an industry thing and you need to play nice but it's rather a ridiculous idea. I mean it's rock 'n' roll and a "hall of fame" is a bit silly, is it not? Probably a lot more important to Americans as it comes from one of their sports the idea, I believe. The number of biographies I have read where bands loathe the whole American PR machine stuff is endless. It seems to be part of the whole industry there though..bands cannot do a gig without the whole "meet and greet" (known to bands as shake and fake) stuff for hours before and after where they have to meet and fawn to all the record company bigwigs in each area. Still, if they don't act like performing monkeys the staff don't publicise them properly. Success in the US seems to have a lot less to do with talent than "playing the game"
I agree to an extent, it's a promotional tool and a popularity contest, but I feel it's also important to add that most every profession and institution etc. seems to introduce awards schemes of some kind.
I see also positives. I got in to Judas Priest recently due to the publicity generated by their induction (it's good for their sales and musicians are always banging on about lost royalties, bad contracts, sueing each other etc.) When Rob Halford was on stage with Dolly Parton is when I think he was truly overcome with emotion, he said as much, to be able to perform with a pioneer of music.
I witnessed all the same pomp and circumstance recently with the fawning, yawning meet and greet culture at Wimbledon Lawn Tennis Association, that most English of institutions, yet I still feel the moment tennis players genuinely love is when they see their name being added to a wall of names of players who inspired them - most top players are also students of the game and I imagine the Rock Hall is no different as some musicians who knock it seem to change their tune overnight once they gain induction. I'd find it pretty cool to see my name alongside those who've been inducted, though I'd hate to have to go through the formalities and ceremonial side.
But for the three bands I mentioned (and Judas Priest) I could have said the Moody Blues, Deep Purple and ELO just as easily, it's been a great boost for British bands whereas bands who don't sing in English seem to rarely get a look-in.
"bands who don't sing in English seem to rarely get a look-in." I think that they tend to be industry affairs and so are rewarding sales rather than talent or innovation. We have things like the Mercury awards which are more based on the music and bands that have pushed boundaries in the previous years although I don't really follow it. Is it like sub titled films in the US, where they struggle to make an impact? |
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Post by petrolino on Aug 5, 2023 16:25:10 GMT
I agree to an extent, it's a promotional tool and a popularity contest, but I feel it's also important to add that most every profession and institution etc. seems to introduce awards schemes of some kind.
I see also positives. I got in to Judas Priest recently due to the publicity generated by their induction (it's good for their sales and musicians are always banging on about lost royalties, bad contracts, sueing each other etc.) When Rob Halford was on stage with Dolly Parton is when I think he was truly overcome with emotion, he said as much, to be able to perform with a pioneer of music.
I witnessed all the same pomp and circumstance recently with the fawning, yawning meet and greet culture at Wimbledon Lawn Tennis Association, that most English of institutions, yet I still feel the moment tennis players genuinely love is when they see their name being added to a wall of names of players who inspired them - most top players are also students of the game and I imagine the Rock Hall is no different as some musicians who knock it seem to change their tune overnight once they gain induction. I'd find it pretty cool to see my name alongside those who've been inducted, though I'd hate to have to go through the formalities and ceremonial side.
But for the three bands I mentioned (and Judas Priest) I could have said the Moody Blues, Deep Purple and ELO just as easily, it's been a great boost for British bands whereas bands who don't sing in English seem to rarely get a look-in.
"bands who don't sing in English seem to rarely get a look-in." I think that they tend to be industry affairs and so are rewarding sales rather than talent or innovation. We have things like the Mercury awards which are more based on the music and bands that have pushed boundaries in the previous years although I don't really follow it. Is it like sub titled films in the US, where they struggle to make an impact?
I think the key difference is there's a foreign language category at the Oscars. But the Rock Hall is a work in progress, I don't think a band like Judas Priest needs to be inducted for musical excellence based on sales as there's surely much bigger selling bands who haven't been inducted. It's a balance, but it is what it is, a popularity contest to a degree, like all such affairs. I much prefer it to the Grammys because it's for a body of work, a nice way to say thank you to people who've given a lot to the industry, and I've used it as a guide for recommendations over the years (if it encourages some young people to explore older music I see that only as a good thing).
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2023 0:28:45 GMT
that's great...but fuck the R&R HOF until they induct Toto.....
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Aug 24, 2023 23:52:12 GMT
It took Rush 14 years to be voted in. That ought to tell you what a "piss stain" it is (to quote Johnny Rotten)
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Post by petrolino on Aug 25, 2023 17:00:58 GMT
that's great...but fuck the R&R HOF until they induct Toto.....
Toto were inducted into the Musicians Hall of Fame and Museum.
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Post by petrolino on Aug 25, 2023 17:31:20 GMT
It took Rush 14 years to be voted in. That ought to tell you what a "piss stain" it is (to quote Johnny Rotten)
Steve Jones seemed happy after the band were inducted.
Public Image Limited released a new album this year but I haven't listened to it. Is it good? I know John Lydon's been keeping busy with his butter product promotions, Eurovision auditons, reality show appearances and trademark bitchy commentary.
Did he sell a Malibu mansion? I thought he went between Chelsea and L.A. but read he'd had to put a Malibu home up for sale during hard times.
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Post by bomtombadil on Aug 25, 2023 17:31:21 GMT
that's great...but fuck the R&R HOF until they induct Toto.....  |
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Post by bomtombadil on Aug 25, 2023 17:33:26 GMT
Lots of other British bands too. Well any institution called Rock and Roll Hall of Fame that has 2Pac and Biggie, but not Iron Maiden...Um no thanks. |
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Aug 25, 2023 17:38:20 GMT
Lots of other British bands too. Well any institution called Rock and Roll Hall of Fame that has 2Pac and Biggie, but not Iron Maiden...Um no thanks. Like having Michael Jordan in the Hockey HOF
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Post by petrolino on Aug 25, 2023 17:38:36 GMT
Lots of other British bands too. Well any institution called Rock and Roll Hall of Fame that has 2Pac and Biggie, but not Iron Maiden...Um no thanks.
Iron Maiden received the Kerrang! Inspiration Award.
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Post by petrolino on Aug 25, 2023 17:41:47 GMT
Well any institution called Rock and Roll Hall of Fame that has 2Pac and Biggie, but not Iron Maiden...Um no thanks. Like having Michael Jordan in the Hockey HOF
If you did care, would you like to see other music removed? I'm thinking soul, funk, blues etc. Those groups didn't sample "rock" beats like rap artists seem to, I don't think. Plus, didn't Biggie sample a bunch of soul and funk artists?
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Post by bomtombadil on Aug 25, 2023 17:43:34 GMT
Well any institution called Rock and Roll Hall of Fame that has 2Pac and Biggie, but not Iron Maiden...Um no thanks.
Iron Maiden received the Kerrang! Inspiration Award.
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