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Post by Flying Monkeys on Sept 11, 2023 13:53:51 GMT
I find it hilarious when the left bleat about Tory donors but then readily accept union donations as being fine. Organisations who fight for their workers rights or individuals and multinationals trying to get even richer and avoid taxation. Wonder which one is of more benefit to Britain. You deserve an award for false equivalency. Neither are fine though, I would prefer to see central taxation replacing donations to keep all influence out. Good luck ever getting the right to agree with that, though. Certainly the amount of Russian donations to the Conservative party are worrying. And you deserve an award for hypocrisy. Strange how one bunch trying to get more money is okay but when it's others, it's not. And trying conflate workers' rights with "better for Britain" is completely false advertising. It aim is as selfish as that of the corporations - and at least I can acknowledge the selfishness of it all while you delude yourself that it's "for Britain". My arse!
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Post by yggdrasil on Sept 12, 2023 9:01:24 GMT
Organisations who fight for their workers rights or individuals and multinationals trying to get even richer and avoid taxation. Wonder which one is of more benefit to Britain. You deserve an award for false equivalency. Neither are fine though, I would prefer to see central taxation replacing donations to keep all influence out. Good luck ever getting the right to agree with that, though. Certainly the amount of Russian donations to the Conservative party are worrying. And you deserve an award for hypocrisy. Strange how one bunch trying to get more money is okay but when it's others, it's not. And trying conflate workers' rights with "better for Britain" is completely false advertising. It aim is as selfish as that of the corporations - and at least I can acknowledge the selfishness of it all while you delude yourself that it's "for Britain". My arse! Workers getting better pay IS better for Britain, unless you believe that low wages and high immigration is better than that. Trying to make out that people buying knighthoods and tax evasion is the same as helping British workers get decent pay and rights is exactly why the Conservatives are loathed so much at present.
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Post by Flying Monkeys on Sept 12, 2023 11:37:06 GMT
And you deserve an award for hypocrisy. Strange how one bunch trying to get more money is okay but when it's others, it's not. And trying conflate workers' rights with "better for Britain" is completely false advertising. It aim is as selfish as that of the corporations - and at least I can acknowledge the selfishness of it all while you delude yourself that it's "for Britain". My arse! Workers getting better pay IS better for Britain, unless you believe that low wages and high immigration is better than that. Trying to make out that people buying knighthoods and tax evasion is the same as helping British workers get decent pay and rights is exactly why the Conservatives are loathed so much at present. Yes and so is more for shareholders better for Britain. But I'm not trying to make out that's the motivator while you are and that's completely false. And how is more for workers any better for Britain than more for shareholders?
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Post by mowlick on Sept 12, 2023 11:41:37 GMT
And you deserve an award for hypocrisy. Strange how one bunch trying to get more money is okay but when it's others, it's not. And trying conflate workers' rights with "better for Britain" is completely false advertising. It aim is as selfish as that of the corporations - and at least I can acknowledge the selfishness of it all while you delude yourself that it's "for Britain". My arse! Workers getting better pay IS better for Britain, unless you believe that low wages and high immigration is better than that. Trying to make out that people buying knighthoods and tax evasion is the same as helping British workers get decent pay and rights is exactly why the Conservatives are loathed so much at present. The key word is workers.
If it is someone with skills you want then fine, but if it is just another member of the layabout army who won't take his coat off for anyone including himself, what is the point?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2023 12:43:55 GMT
Yes and so is more for shareholders better for Britain. Workers spend the vast majority of their pay back into the economy. Shareholders may stick their wealth in a savings account or invest overseas.
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Post by mowlick on Sept 12, 2023 13:04:06 GMT
Yes and so is more for shareholders better for Britain. Workers spend the vast majority of their pay back into the economy. Shareholders may stick their wealth in a savings account or invest overseas. I have invariably invested in UK shares. You can never really tell what Johnny Foreigner is up too. Even so, if Dole Blogging Britain does not provide the investment opportunities, then I have to look abroad.
I don't like savings accounts as such. The interest never seems to match inflation, so they are pretty much a bolt hole of last resort
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2023 13:10:29 GMT
Even so, if Dole Blogging Britain does not provide the investment opportunities, then I have to look abroad. Well, that's exactly it. If it's not in the interests of shareholders to invest in Britain, they won't. So a businessman donating to a party in the hopes they will help him maximise his profits in his British holdings which he will then take and invest in his other ventures overseas is a pretty bad arrangement for the British economy. However workers getting more money which they will then spend in Britain is good for the economy, not to mention good for the workers themselves who are struggling to afford things as is.
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Post by mowlick on Sept 12, 2023 13:57:19 GMT
Even so, if Dole Blogging Britain does not provide the investment opportunities, then I have to look abroad. Well, that's exactly it. If it's not in the interests of shareholders to invest in Britain, they won't. So there you. Make the UK attractive to investors and the economy will boom and the working man and woman will have toilets made of gold. Have an economic strategy based on the idea that it is an attack on his or her human rights to get out of bed in the morning and they will retreat back into the poverty and ignorance that a lot of them seem to rather enjoy.
Well put Fabulous, you are a good egg
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Post by Flying Monkeys on Sept 12, 2023 13:59:30 GMT
Yes and so is more for shareholders better for Britain. Workers spend the vast majority of their pay back into the economy. Shareholders may stick their wealth in a savings account or invest overseas. Money in savings accounts doesn't just sit there - banks use it to provide mortgages and loans so people can buy stuff, stimulating the economy. That is true whether someone has fifty quid or billions - it's being used by regular people to do stuff. Invest overseas - probably small and offset by overseas investments coming here.
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Post by yggdrasil on Sept 12, 2023 15:08:06 GMT
Workers getting better pay IS better for Britain, unless you believe that low wages and high immigration is better than that. Trying to make out that people buying knighthoods and tax evasion is the same as helping British workers get decent pay and rights is exactly why the Conservatives are loathed so much at present. Yes and so is more for shareholders better for Britain. But I'm not trying to make out that's the motivator while you are and that's completely false. And how is more for workers any better for Britain than more for shareholders? Wilco paid out millions to shareholders last year while losing millions and have now crashed. The British taxpayer will pick up the bill of unemployment payments as usual. But of course, it's better than helping workers. British water companies are borrowing fortunes to pay shareholder dividends whilst refusing to invest in people and infrastructure, but of course, shareholders are the important people. We can just pick up the bill as usual as the Government has said infrastructure repair can take 30 years and all be past to customers. But of course, it's the shareholders that need help, and the European Governments that own own trains and power companies, and it's good to bring in cheap immigration instead. Just about anything in your book than pay a decent living wage to the British worker. You lot just pretend to hate immigration while cheering on and pushing every policy that increases it.
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Post by mowlick on Sept 12, 2023 16:23:23 GMT
As Ash has said, the best idea is to raise taxes and give the money to the working man and the NHS and the Guardian and all the other left wing good causes. This is a proven method of encouraging investment in the UK
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Post by notoriousnobbi on Sept 13, 2023 13:26:09 GMT
As Ash has said, the best idea is to raise taxes and give the money to the working man and the NHS and the Guardian and all the other left wing good causes. This is a proven method of encouraging investment in the UK Do you know what many forget? Investors also look on predictability and a steady course! Conservatives in permanent war with themselves have been worse than Covid, Brexit and the Ukraine war together. For example: Do you have any white paper on what changes regarding REUL from January 2024 onwards? How is business supposed to manage the transition then? Or... do they even have to pay for that information?
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Post by mowlick on Sept 13, 2023 14:25:05 GMT
As Ash has said, the best idea is to raise taxes and give the money to the working man and the NHS and the Guardian and all the other left wing good causes. This is a proven method of encouraging investment in the UK Do you know what many forget? Investors also look on predictability and a steady course! Conservatives in permanent war with themselves have been worse than Covid, Brexit and the Ukraine war together. For example: Do you have any white paper on what changes regarding REUL from January 2024 onwards? How is business supposed to manage the transition then? Or... do they even have to pay for that information?
Well, I imagine that is the UK finished then Nobby.
I don't know who this Reul bloke is, but if you say he will push Britain beneath the waves by February 2024 ( I assume that he is a decent sort who will let us enjoy the New Year ?) then I won't argue.
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