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Post by papamihel on Sept 25, 2023 13:14:20 GMT
Yes. Well,.some.of them
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Post by primethefirst on Sept 25, 2023 16:07:54 GMT
In comparison notice that science fiction is not mainstream today, not at all like it was. But superheroes became mainstream yet I don't see people flying around buildings. |
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Post by pathfinder on Sept 25, 2023 18:37:03 GMT
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Post by Olaf Plunket on Sept 25, 2023 21:13:52 GMT
In comparison notice that science fiction is not mainstream today, not at all like it was. But superheroes became mainstream yet I don't see people flying around buildings. What superheroes? |
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Post by primethefirst on Sept 25, 2023 21:27:45 GMT
The OP was saying that without the space program space travel wouldn't be in the public consciousness-
well there is no superhero program and yet it has been wall to wall superheroes in media so I am not sure it follows that there must be a real world equivalent to create some kind of media frenzy over something
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Post by Olaf Plunket on Sept 25, 2023 22:30:12 GMT
The OP was saying that without the space program space travel wouldn't be in the public consciousness- well there is no superhero program and yet it has been wall to wall superheroes in media so I am not sure it follows that there must be a real world equivalent to create some kind of media frenzy over something
I lived through the real space program. I was 10 when Ed White on the Gemini IV mission performed the first "space walk" ( Extra vehicular Activity - left the space capsule on a tether). I was almost 11 when the Gemini VIII capsule docked with the Agena target craft. The Gemini missions were practice for maneuvers that might or would be required later on the Apollo missions. I was almost 14 when the Apollo 11 lunar module first put men on the Moon. Was that a child's perspective of the news? Perhaps, but I know the world was very much engaged with the plethora of science fiction that followed into my college years. The original Star Trek is well over 50 years old and still part of our culture. Okay, It isn't "mainstream" anymore, but MeTV shows reruns of it Saturdays at 11 pm. That is the longstanding, not mainstream, time slot for science fiction / horror / fantasy Most of it was more than D movie science fiction of course. Like most good fiction it examined reality too, if indirectly. The episodes were philosophical essays about some problem or other on Earth. I was there. I know. Did anyone watch the original Flash Gordon? Not and admit it in public, no. Is there something you have against me? Do you hate all old people or just me? I am sorry there hasn't been a good movie in 15 years, but it isn't my fault. The OP was a question, not a statement, but that aside, I believe it was very obvious that because of the real space program far more science fiction was made, which should be the question. The pathetic examples of science fiction like the original Flash Gordon in no way diminish what did in fact happen. Again, I was there. |
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Post by primethefirst on Sept 25, 2023 22:44:02 GMT
The OP was a question, not a statement, but that aside, I believe it was very obvious that because of the real space program far more science fiction was made, which should be the question. The pathetic examples of science fiction like the original Flash Gordon in no way diminish what did in fact happen. Again, I was there.
If there was no space program, would people have been interested in space? Yes--Flash Gordon was one of the most popular comic strips of the 1930s. Star Trek and Lost in Space only lasted 3 seasons a piece and most of the shows on tv were westerns etc. It wasn't like wall to wall space stuff was on.
I don't understand why you are upset though.
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Post by cinemachinery on Sept 25, 2023 22:51:46 GMT
The OP was saying that without the space program space travel wouldn't be in the public consciousness-
well there is no superhero program and yet it has been wall to wall superheroes in media so I am not sure it follows that there must be a real world equivalent to create some kind of media frenzy over something
The “canals” visible on Mars via early telescopes were enough to inspire countless speculative sci-if stories. Provided that observational tech kept advancing as it has, obsession with outer space would have likely proceeded apace with or without actual travel. We wouldn’t have the newer orbital observation platforms though :( |
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Post by lunda2222 on Sept 25, 2023 22:59:13 GMT
Yeah. People were fascinated by the idea of going into space and making fiction about it long before we went there. Actually we have a fascination with the unknown.
(Tarzan, the Wild West, Twenty Thousand Leagues Under the Seas, and so forth). The search for Bigfoot and more ridiculous ideas are simply a poor man's version of the same thing.
Once those were charted we turned our eyes towards space, well we did that long before too, but back then we didn't have the means to get there. We've also turned our eyes with exploring time (Orson Well's Time Machine).
Don't get me wrong I'm not disagreeing with you, it's just a good place to segue into the discussion.
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Post by Olaf Plunket on Sept 25, 2023 23:11:24 GMT
The OP was a question, not a statement, but that aside, I believe it was very obvious that because of the real space program far more science fiction was made, which should be the question. The pathetic examples of science fiction like the original Flash Gordon in no way diminish what did in fact happen. Again, I was there.
If there was no space program, would people have been interested in space? Yes--Flash Gordon was one of the most popular comic strips of the 1930s. Star Trek and Lost in Space only lasted 3 seasons a piece and most of the shows on tv were westerns etc. It wasn't like wall to wall space stuff was on.
I don't understand why you are upset though.
No wonder they don't make good movies anymore. There are no young people socially developed enough to appreciate them.
Comic strips? In the 30s?
Star Trek is still on TV. Lost in Space is too, but obviously for a much younger audience. Star Trek is more for high school, early college kids.
There was so much you probably missed some. Did you see Battlestar Galactica? Babylon 5? Stargate SG1? Stargate Atlantis? Stargate Universe? Andromeda? The 4 Star Trek spinoffs, Next Generation, Deep Space 9, Voyager, Discovery? All those ran more than one season, usually way more than one. They ran in prime time, you should have noticed. How old were you? 3?
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Post by primethefirst on Sept 25, 2023 23:24:54 GMT
Comic strips? In the 30s?
Yes, was a big medium in that time. Flash Gordon was read by adults in Hearst papers.
So, to reiterate, would sci-fi have been been a big deal if NASA had never existed? Yeah probably. The idea that imagination would have been restricted due to lack of a real world analogy seems highly dubious. And as others said, astronomy was also making people curious about space so there would have been some development there. How much? Who knows.
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Post by Olaf Plunket on Sept 26, 2023 0:05:37 GMT
Comic strips? In the 30s?
Yes, was a big medium in that time. Flash Gordon was read by adults in Hearst papers.
So, to reiterate, would sci-fi have been been a big deal if NASA had never existed? Yeah probably. The idea that imagination would have been restricted due to lack of a real world analogy seems highly dubious. And as others said, astronomy was also making people curious about space so there would have been some development there. How much? Who knows.
Your stunning ignorance of 1967-2010 does not exactly inspire confidence in your understanding the 30s or 50s.
The huge mistake you are making is failing to assess generalities properly. Most kids learned early in school not to generalize. You were taught not to assume that "Fred" for example likes iced tea simply because he lives in the southern United States. What you were not taught is how to generalize when it is helpful or necessary, If you need to stock shelves in a grocery store in the southern United States then it is a good idea to generalize that people in southern states like iced tea more than people in the northern United States. You then stock more iced tea and supplies. You do not assume however Fred will buy any of it, and you do not have to assume that.
When I say the popularity of science fiction was generally far higher following the real space program, that is like generalizing that iced tea is more popular in southern states.
When you find counter examples of science fiction before the space program it is like you trying to shut down my generalization because like a small child you never learned that generalization can be useful. You also never learned that paltry counter examples do shut down generalizations.
That happens a lot with kids on the internet.
With and following the real space program we have ...
Lost in Space, Star Trek, Battlestar Galactica, Babylon 5, Stargate SG1, Stargate Atlantis, Stargate Universe, Andromeda, The 4 Star Trek spinoffs, Next Generation, Deep Space 9, Voyager, Discovery. All those ran more than one season, usually way more than one.
Before the real space program you have ... D movie science fiction and additions to newspapers that have to be purchased if the newspaper is.
Comparing those two it is obviously generally true that science fiction did flourish following the space program. QED |
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Post by primethefirst on Sept 26, 2023 0:21:34 GMT
Comparing those two it is obviously generally true that science fiction did flourish following the space program. QED Yeah...
*walking away slowly from the conversation*
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Post by Olaf Plunket on Sept 27, 2023 2:05:09 GMT
Can I send about 80 percent of the population to Mars? I forgot one, Space: 1999 with Barbara Bain and Martin Landau. After being replaced by Leonard Nimoy and eventually Linda Day George on Mission Impossible, and after that series closed, Bain and Landau starred in the science fiction show that started the same year as the Apollo Soyuz mission. Space: 1999 |
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