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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2023 17:02:48 GMT
Which is exactly why we made the first and second amendments to protect those rights. There is no such amendment giving a "right" to abortion. If democrats wanted that, they should have gone for it during Obama's first term when they had a supermajority. They did not. And now the judges that "wrote from the bench" have been overturned in a great upholding of justice. Ah, but you interpret no specific provision of abortion as permission to deny abortion, even though there is no explicit denial to abortion in the constitution. The Democrats should have codified it ages ago, but don't excuse the robber by saying the homeowner didn't lock the door. I have a personal question for you, if you don't mind. If you do mind you can just not answer. You have 3 children, as I recall, and a career. Do you have sex with your wife? If you do and a contraceptive (condom, IUD, pulling out, etc.) you use fails she becomes pregnant, would you consider an abortion if it meant not upending your current life? Actually in that scenario, the robber couldn't be charged with breaking and entering as the door was unlocked. I do, and we use contraception. No, we would not consider abortion. There's not much of a difference after your first kid in having another one so it really wouldn't upend our lives that much apart from her going on maternity leave again.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2023 17:06:26 GMT
Ending Roe v Wade was a quantum leap backward. Alito knows this. He knows he damaged the court's credibility and made himself into a joke. Not everything is a popular vote issue. Would you put the 2nd amendment, or even freedom of speech up to a popular vote? You elect representatives, not human rights. We are 50 sovereign united states, not the United State. This is a state issue, not federal. I am happy that at least we can decide on our own again. We can keep this up all day long. We sure could because it's a point of view that it should be a state issue, not a fixed fact. I think it's more an autonomy issue than a state or federal issue; relegating it to mindless obedience of laws reduces morality to obeying signatures on a sheet. Legal or illegal, abortion is necessary. Illegal just makes it more difficult and punishes people for their needs, but I guess it's not worth giving up saluting the state flag.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2023 17:10:52 GMT
Ah, but you interpret no specific provision of abortion as permission to deny abortion, even though there is no explicit denial to abortion in the constitution. The Democrats should have codified it ages ago, but don't excuse the robber by saying the homeowner didn't lock the door. I have a personal question for you, if you don't mind. If you do mind you can just not answer. You have 3 children, as I recall, and a career. Do you have sex with your wife? If you do and a contraceptive (condom, IUD, pulling out, etc.) you use fails she becomes pregnant, would you consider an abortion if it meant not upending your current life? Actually in that scenario, the robber couldn't be charged with breaking and entering as the door was unlocked. I do, and we use contraception. No, we would not consider abortion. There's not much of a difference after your first kid in having another one so it really wouldn't upend our lives that much apart from her going on maternity leave again. The robber did rob the house, though, whether or not the door was locked. I'm not saying they should be charged. I'm saying they should be blamed. Thank you for answering. Follow-up question. What if your wife doesn't wish to be pregnant again, or have another child? What if she wants an abortion?
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Post by The Trashcan Man on Oct 3, 2023 17:40:53 GMT
We are 50 sovereign united states, not the United State. This is a state issue, not federal. I am happy that at least we can decide on our own again. We can keep this up all day long. We sure could because it's a point of view that it should be a state issue, not a fixed fact. I think it's more an autonomy issue than a state or federal issue; relegating it to mindless obedience of laws reduces morality to obeying signatures on a sheet. Legal or illegal, abortion is necessary. Illegal just makes it more difficult and punishes people for their needs, but I guess it's not worth giving up saluting the state flag. "Relegating it to mindless obedience of laws reduces morality to obeying signatures on a sheet." Nonsense. Law is the best we can ever hope to live by. "Illegal just makes it more difficult and punishes people for their needs, but I guess it's not worth giving up saluting the state flag." Nonsense again. Law in this case is to protect the weakest of all life, not to punish anyone for making shitty decisions. And that dig about saluting a flag is also just nonsense because this isn't about saluting a flag.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2023 18:11:09 GMT
We sure could because it's a point of view that it should be a state issue, not a fixed fact. I think it's more an autonomy issue than a state or federal issue; relegating it to mindless obedience of laws reduces morality to obeying signatures on a sheet. Legal or illegal, abortion is necessary. Illegal just makes it more difficult and punishes people for their needs, but I guess it's not worth giving up saluting the state flag. "Relegating it to mindless obedience of laws reduces morality to obeying signatures on a sheet." Nonsense. Law is the best we can ever hope to live by. "Illegal just makes it more difficult and punishes people for their needs, but I guess it's not worth giving up saluting the state flag." Nonsense again. Law in this case is to protect the weakest of all life, not to punish anyone for making shitty decisions. And that dig about saluting a flag is also just nonsense because this isn't about saluting a flag. Not when it works against people it doesn't. Ideally equal protections and access to resources should be the basis for laws. Nonsense again. Law in this case is to protect the weakest of all life, not to punish anyone for making shitty decisions. And that dig about saluting a flag is also just nonsense because this isn't about saluting a flag.No but it salutes states rights over federal protections. You yourself are drawing the distinction between state and federal, and I believe it's real. I just don't believe it's good enough, especially when its failings are laid bare when it rubs up against the more equal distribution of freedoms it replaced.
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Post by The Trashcan Man on Oct 3, 2023 18:20:48 GMT
"Relegating it to mindless obedience of laws reduces morality to obeying signatures on a sheet." Nonsense. Law is the best we can ever hope to live by. "Illegal just makes it more difficult and punishes people for their needs, but I guess it's not worth giving up saluting the state flag." Nonsense again. Law in this case is to protect the weakest of all life, not to punish anyone for making shitty decisions. And that dig about saluting a flag is also just nonsense because this isn't about saluting a flag. Not when it works against people it doesn't. Ideally equal protections and access to resources should be the basis for laws. Nonsense again. Law in this case is to protect the weakest of all life, not to punish anyone for making shitty decisions. And that dig about saluting a flag is also just nonsense because this isn't about saluting a flag.No but it salutes states rights over federal protections. You yourself are drawing the distinction between state and federal, and I believe it's real. I just don't believe it's good enough, especially when its failings are laid bare when it rubs up against the more equal existence it replaced. States rights are protection.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2023 18:30:53 GMT
Not when it works against people it doesn't. Ideally equal protections and access to resources should be the basis for laws. Nonsense again. Law in this case is to protect the weakest of all life, not to punish anyone for making shitty decisions. And that dig about saluting a flag is also just nonsense because this isn't about saluting a flag.No but it salutes states rights over federal protections. You yourself are drawing the distinction between state and federal, and I believe it's real. I just don't believe it's good enough, especially when its failings are laid bare when it rubs up against the more equal existence it replaced. States rights are protection. They can be, but if all or a majority of states guaranteed access to abortion up to 24 weeks (the standard held by Roe v Wade), you'd be okay with that?
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Post by The Trashcan Man on Oct 3, 2023 18:55:44 GMT
States rights are protection. They can be, but if all or a majority of states guaranteed access to abortion up to 24 weeks (the standard held by Roe v Wade), you'd be okay with that? Yeah, but I'd prefer 15 weeks.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2023 20:39:41 GMT
They can be, but if all or a majority of states guaranteed access to abortion up to 24 weeks (the standard held by Roe v Wade), you'd be okay with that? Yeah, but I'd prefer 15 weeks. Alright.
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Post by OldSamVimes on Oct 3, 2023 21:21:16 GMT
Are you sure he's a modern teacher?
He's not wearing his dress!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2023 23:55:18 GMT
Actually in that scenario, the robber couldn't be charged with breaking and entering as the door was unlocked. I do, and we use contraception. No, we would not consider abortion. There's not much of a difference after your first kid in having another one so it really wouldn't upend our lives that much apart from her going on maternity leave again. The robber did rob the house, though, whether or not the door was locked. I'm not saying they should be charged. I'm saying they should be blamed. Thank you for answering. Follow-up question. What if your wife doesn't wish to be pregnant again, or have another child? What if she wants an abortion? Don't have to ask the "what if". We are both Christians and would welcome a fourth child. In fact, we plan to try for one next year.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2023 0:01:08 GMT
The robber did rob the house, though, whether or not the door was locked. I'm not saying they should be charged. I'm saying they should be blamed. Thank you for answering. Follow-up question. What if your wife doesn't wish to be pregnant again, or have another child? What if she wants an abortion? Don't have to ask the "what if". We are both Christians and would welcome a fourth child. In fact, we plan to try for one next year. I dunno if that's a Christian thing or a wanting another child thing, but cool! Kinda ducks my question because an accidental pregnancy could spur her into considering an abortion, but deliberately planning for a next child and having one is completely different.
Hope it works out!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2023 0:19:26 GMT
Don't have to ask the "what if". We are both Christians and would welcome a fourth child. In fact, we plan to try for one next year. I dunno if that's a Christian thing or a wanting another child thing, but cool! Kinda ducks my question because an accidental pregnancy could spur her into considering an abortion, but deliberately planning for a next child and having one is completely different.
Hope it works out!
Why do you think she would consider an abortion?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2023 0:36:32 GMT
I dunno if that's a Christian thing or a wanting another child thing, but cool! Kinda ducks my question because an accidental pregnancy could spur her into considering an abortion, but deliberately planning for a next child and having one is completely different.
Hope it works out!
Why do you think she would consider an abortion? For the same reason anyone might. A change too great to a situation that's fine the way it is; the physical difficulties of being pregnant; a life-threatening physical complication to her, or one that threatens the life of the infant; take your pick.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2023 10:37:20 GMT
Friggin idiots. They never learn. Even in this minor case. Just listen to the damn police...
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