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Post by notoriousnobbi on Oct 18, 2023 16:16:55 GMT
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Post by america on Oct 18, 2023 16:21:43 GMT
He was appointed to what?? 😆 We'll try not to blame you for Boris Johnson.
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Post by yggdrasil on Oct 18, 2023 16:24:15 GMT
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Post by Nogbad on Oct 18, 2023 16:26:29 GMT
It's Bavaria, the Ayrshire of Germany. Albeit with slightly better football teams.
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Post by tommcclarey on Oct 18, 2023 16:29:05 GMT
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Post by Lux on Oct 18, 2023 16:31:25 GMT
There's so many things Germans should be ashamed about you're going to need to be more specific.
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Post by notoriousnobbi on Oct 18, 2023 17:26:02 GMT
There's so many things Germans should be ashamed about you're going to need to be more specific. Well, Ursula had been also a bit overachieving with her Faux-Pas of unconditional support for Israel (coming from engraved German reflexes...) and had to be brought back in line by Josep Borrell EU capitals fume at ‘Queen’ von der Leyen www.politico.eu/article/eu-governments-fume-at-queen-ursula-von-der-leyen/But that's nothing that cannot be repaired by rowing a bit back... |
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Post by Carl LaFong on Oct 18, 2023 17:28:31 GMT
There's so many things Germans should be ashamed about you're going to need to be more specific. Well, Ursula had been also a bit overachieving with her Faux-Pas of unconditional support for Israel (coming from engraved German reflexes...) and had to be brought back in line by Josep Borrell EU capitals fume at ‘Queen’ von der Leyen www.politico.eu/article/eu-governments-fume-at-queen-ursula-von-der-leyen/But that's nothing that cannot be repaired by rowing a bit back... Germany certainly is totally behind Israel …. Scholz made that abundantly clear. |
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Post by Flying Monkeys on Oct 18, 2023 17:37:36 GMT
And so you should. You probably still think bringing one million people from uncivilised, violent cultures that despise our values into Europe was a good idea.
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Post by Carl LaFong on Oct 18, 2023 18:09:39 GMT
Well, Ursula had been also a bit overachieving with her Faux-Pas of unconditional support for Israel (coming from engraved German reflexes...) and had to be brought back in line by Josep Borrell EU capitals fume at ‘Queen’ von der Leyen www.politico.eu/article/eu-governments-fume-at-queen-ursula-von-der-leyen/But that's nothing that cannot be repaired by rowing a bit back... Germany certainly is totally behind Israel …. Scholz made that abundantly clear. Quite right too. What do you think of that, nobbi? ”Germany has only one place … beside Israel”. You owe it to them imo. |
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Post by notoriousnobbi on Oct 18, 2023 18:42:12 GMT
Germany certainly is totally behind Israel …. Scholz made that abundantly clear. Quite right too. What do you think of that, nobbi? ”Germany has only one place … beside Israel”. You owe it to them imo. Look. I'm living at a very special place that hosting both Christian and Jewish UNESCO heritage. I know of centuries of both religions living peaceful together and of pogroms in the middle age long before Nazi atrocities in my town. I know people who have visited Israel just 12 days ago and I know people who care about Muslim refugees. I know people who help researching Jewish family histories for installing Stolpersteine in front of their former Geschäfte in our high street. And I knew old people who tried to hide Jewish families in the early 1940ies. And I know that we have enforced protection of both the synagogue and the Jewish people living in our town. That is the very least we owe the Jews living here. And we are also at least partly responsible for Israel's security. But IMHO all of that does not mean Un-conditional support. We also have the right to clear our throat once in a while when Israel gets on the wrong track democracywise. And Israel also has to think about not triggering unnecessarily a general conflict between the Jewish and the Muslim world as we are also directly affected. And we do not see every demonstration for Palestina as per se antisemitic. |
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Post by Carl LaFong on Oct 18, 2023 19:51:38 GMT
OK, nobbi.
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Post by notoriousnobbi on Oct 18, 2023 20:52:41 GMT
... And we are also at least partly responsible for Israel's security. But IMHO all of that does not mean Un-conditional support. We also have the right to clear our throat once in a while when Israel gets on the wrong track democracywise. A snippet from a more complex history of an insider www.scottritterextra.com/p/why-i-no-longer-stand-with-israel Note: I do not claim that everything he writes is correct, but he surely knows some details more than the average guy. |
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Post by yggdrasil on Oct 19, 2023 12:03:31 GMT
Quite right too. What do you think of that, nobbi? ”Germany has only one place … beside Israel”. You owe it to them imo. Look. I'm living at a very special place that hosting both Christian and Jewish UNESCO heritage. I know of centuries of both religions living peaceful together and of pogroms in the middle age long before Nazi atrocities in my town. I know people who have visited Israel just 12 days ago and I know people who care about Muslim refugees. I know people who help researching Jewish family histories for installing Stolpersteine in front of their former Geschäfte in our high street. And I knew old people who tried to hide Jewish families in the early 1940ies. And I know that we have enforced protection of both the synagogue and the Jewish people living in our town. That is the very least we owe the Jews living here. And we are also at least partly responsible for Israel's security. But IMHO all of that does not mean Un-conditional support. We also have the right to clear our throat once in a while when Israel gets on the wrong track democracywise. And Israel also has to think about not triggering unnecessarily a general conflict between the Jewish and the Muslim world as we are also directly affected. And we do not see every demonstration for Palestina as per se antisemitic. This specific moment in time is sadly not allowing for nuance though. The view very clearly being pushed is that you are either for or against one of the combatants and being a humanitarian means that you are included in one side, rather than being able to see the bigger picture. |
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Post by notoriousnobbi on Oct 19, 2023 12:12:14 GMT
Look. I'm living at a very special place that hosting both Christian and Jewish UNESCO heritage. I know of centuries of both religions living peaceful together and of pogroms in the middle age long before Nazi atrocities in my town. I know people who have visited Israel just 12 days ago and I know people who care about Muslim refugees. I know people who help researching Jewish family histories for installing Stolpersteine in front of their former Geschäfte in our high street. And I knew old people who tried to hide Jewish families in the early 1940ies. And I know that we have enforced protection of both the synagogue and the Jewish people living in our town. That is the very least we owe the Jews living here. And we are also at least partly responsible for Israel's security. But IMHO all of that does not mean Un-conditional support. We also have the right to clear our throat once in a while when Israel gets on the wrong track democracywise. And Israel also has to think about not triggering unnecessarily a general conflict between the Jewish and the Muslim world as we are also directly affected. And we do not see every demonstration for Palestina as per se antisemitic. This specific moment in time is sadly not allowing for nuance though. The view very clearly being pushed is that you are either for or against one of the combatants and being a humanitarian means that you are included in one side, rather than being able to see the bigger picture. Rafael Behr notices that, too Mired in trivia, British political discourse is utterly unfit for times of war www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/oct/19/trivia-british-political-discourse-times-of-warBoth Germans and Britons had their stakes in the situation of today, so it is absolutely crucial for us to choose wise words instead of stirring up the heat. |
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