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Post by merh on Oct 22, 2023 13:37:22 GMT
After the Civil war, many are a but concerned about insurrection. Doesn't say convicted. Just says participated in. Who determines that a riot is an insurrection; and who determines that Trump participated, given that he was acquitted? The DOJ dropped their investigation of Gaetz, yet one of the grudges he held against McCarthy was the House Ethics probe was not dropped. What do you mean acquitted? By members of his political party?
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Post by merh on Oct 22, 2023 13:39:36 GMT
So convicted felons can't vote, but you are fine with people under indictment to run for office? How about actual criminals? Say someone like Charles Manson had tried to run. Kosher with that?
I've seen at least 2 or 3 Democrats WIN elections despite pending charges or even after a conviction. So let's not start.
This whole charade and targeting of Trump is so blatant ever since the day he won in 2016. The fact you don't even see it says plenty, but your people have no shame whatsoever.
Yeah, Trump made people upset repeatedly..........totally the same as planning/committing murders.
So not murderer. How about a ponzi scheme type person? Or that pharma guy who was charging big bucks for drugs that cost pennies to make?
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Post by abbey1227 on Oct 22, 2023 13:56:49 GMT
So not murderer. How about a ponzi scheme type person? Or that pharma guy who was charging big bucks for drugs that cost pennies to make?
IF I were an uber-religious type........ (which I am not)........ a murderer might include anyone who performed or had an abortion.
What's wrong with Ponzi schemes? The Govt has a few of them going as we speak.
What's wrong with making gigantic profits? That's the Govt's job to monitor, isn't it? If they were so offended, why not nix his patents? and let others make generic forms of the same drugs?
I have little doubt there are quite a few things even you have purchased over the years that had pretty large profits for their makers.
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Post by jackspicer on Oct 22, 2023 16:18:01 GMT
Who determines that a riot is an insurrection; and who determines that Trump participated, given that he was acquitted? The DOJ dropped their investigation of Gaetz, yet one of the grudges he held against McCarthy was the House Ethics probe was not dropped. What do you mean acquitted? By members of his political party? You didn't answer my questions. Trump was acquitted by the senate. Are you suggesting a judge should unilaterally strike Trump from the ballot based solely on allegations from his political rivals? You seem completely incapable of considering how such a precedent could be used against you by a conservative judge.
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Post by cts1 on Oct 22, 2023 16:31:32 GMT
DJT lost on a preliminary motion, but hasn't lost the case.
Not convinced the legal theory for banning Trump is is either a good idea or legally sufficient without a conviction.
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Post by blizzmanb on Oct 22, 2023 16:36:29 GMT
The DOJ dropped their investigation of Gaetz, yet one of the grudges he held against McCarthy was the House Ethics probe was not dropped. What do you mean acquitted? By members of his political party? You didn't answer my questions. Trump was acquitted by the senate. Are you suggesting a judge should unilaterally strike Trump from the ballot based solely on allegations from his political rivals? You seem completely incapable of considering how such a precedent could be used against you by a conservative judge. Yeah that's exactly what they are suggesting.
Throwing up "hurdles" regardless of validity or foreseen consequences is also what Wile E. Coyote did to The Roadrunner . . .
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Post by cts1 on Oct 22, 2023 16:40:41 GMT
Weird how the 'defenders of democracy' want to prevent people from voting who they want to vote for. So convicted felons can't vote, but you are fine with people under indictment to run for office? How about actual criminals? Say someone like Charles Manson had tried to run. Kosher with that? Trump may (the issue is debatable, at best) be covered by a singular rule in the 14th Amendment. The Constitutional rules do not prohibit felons from running for POTUS, only insurrectionists.
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Post by merh on Oct 22, 2023 17:35:39 GMT
The DOJ dropped their investigation of Gaetz, yet one of the grudges he held against McCarthy was the House Ethics probe was not dropped. What do you mean acquitted? By members of his political party? You didn't answer my questions. Trump was acquitted by the senate. Are you suggesting a judge should unilaterally strike Trump from the ballot based solely on allegations from his political rivals? You seem completely incapable of considering how such a precedent could be used against you by a conservative judge. Because Congress isn't the legal system? So the Senate doesn't equal a court of law.
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Post by jackspicer on Oct 22, 2023 17:42:25 GMT
You didn't answer my questions. Trump was acquitted by the senate. Are you suggesting a judge should unilaterally strike Trump from the ballot based solely on allegations from his political rivals? You seem completely incapable of considering how such a precedent could be used against you by a conservative judge. Because Congress isn't the legal system? So the Senate doesn't equal a court of law. There are four questions on the table that you have sidestepped. 1. Who determines that the riot was an 'insurrection'? 2. Who determines that Trump 'participated'? 3. Should a judge rule solely based on allegations by the opposing party? 4. Do you not see how a precedent like this could be used against all of your candidates?
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Post by pathfinder on Oct 22, 2023 18:09:41 GMT
Donald Trump's team and Republican affiliated lawyers backing his efforts suffered a setback when Denver District Judge Sarah Block Wallace reinforced her rejection of a filing by Trump to toss a lawsuit, noting that his objections on freedom of speech grounds did not apply. Six Colorado voters filed the lawsuit in last month in Denver, claiming that Trump should be stricken from running in future elections under the 14th Amendment, which bans any person who took the oath to support the Constitution from holding office if they "engaged in insurrection or rebellion."
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A judge has rejected three more attempts by former President Donald Trump and the Colorado GOP to shut down a lawsuit seeking to block him from the 2024 presidential ballot in the state based on the 14th Amendment’s “insurrectionist ban.”
The flurry of rulings late Friday from Colorado District Judge Sarah Wallace are a blow to Trump, who faces candidacy challenges in multiple states stemming from his role in the January 6, 2021, insurrection. He still has a pending motion to throw out the Colorado lawsuit, but the case now appears on track for an unprecedented trail this month.
A post-Civil War provision of the 14th Amendment says US officials who take an oath to uphold the Constitution are disqualified from future office if they “engaged in insurrection” or have “given aid or comfort” to insurrectionists. But the Constitution does not spell out how to enforce the ban, and it has been applied only twice since the 1800s.
A liberal watchdog group called Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington filed the Colorado case on behalf of six Republican and unaffiliated voters. The judge is scheduled to preside over a trial beginning October 30 to decide a series of novel legal questions about how the 14th Amendment could apply to Trump.
In a 24-page ruling, Wallace rejected many of Trump’s arguments that the case was procedurally flawed and should be shut down. She said the key question of whether Colorado Secretary of State Jena Griswold has the power to block Trump from the ballot based on the 14th Amendment “is a pivotal issue and one best reserved for trial.”
Wallace also swatted away arguments from the Colorado GOP that state law gives the party, not election officials, ultimate say on which candidates appear on the ballot.
“If the Party, without any oversight, can choose its preferred candidate, then it could theoretically nominate anyone regardless of their age, citizenship, residency,” she wrote. “Such an interpretation is absurd; the Constitution and its requirements for eligibility are not suggestions, left to the political parties to determine at their sole discretion.”
Wallace also cited a 2012 opinion from Supreme Court Justice Neil Gorsuch, when he was a Denver-based appeals judge, which said states have the power to “exclude from the ballot candidates who are constitutionally prohibited from assuming office.” She cited this while rejecting Trump’s claim that Colorado’s ballot access laws don’t give state officials any authority to disqualify him based on federal constitutional considerations.
Trump already lost an earlier bid to throw out the case on free-speech grounds.
The current GOP front-runner, Trump denies wrongdoing regarding January 6 and has pleaded not guilty to state and federal charges stemming from his attempts to overturn the 2020 election. His campaign has said lawsuits are pushing an “absurd conspiracy theory” and the challengers are “stretching the law beyond recognition.”
The 14th Amendment challenges in Colorado and other key states face an uphill climb, with many legal hurdles to clear before Trump would be disqualified from running for the presidency. Trump is sure to appeal any decision to strip him from the ballot, which means the Supreme Court and its conservative supermajority might get the final say.
In recent months, a growing and politically diverse array of legal scholars have thrown their support behind the idea that Trump is disqualified under the “insurrectionist ban.” The bipartisan House committee that investigated the January 6 attack recommended last year that Trump be barred from holding future office under the 14th Amendment.
The Colorado challengers recently revealed in a court filing that they want to depose Trump before trial. Trump opposes this request, and the judge hasn’t issued a ruling.
A democrat appoint hack Judge make a ruling that benefits her party. What a surprise. Never saw that one coming. She's another one that will lose her law license. How about letting the voters decide? What are you afraid of? Shitheads. This is just another example of where dems say one thing but do the another. The exact opposite. They preach all the time about protecting democracy while subverting it.
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Post by jeffersoncody on Oct 22, 2023 21:47:31 GMT
So, if the "people" want to vote for Charles Manson, Al Capone or O.J. Simpson or Roger Stone they should be allowed too? Fuck you Abbey.
Quite the grouping.
I know you guys were totally cool with electing Nelson Mandela
The amount of stress and consternation Trump seems to elicit is just a bigtime Bonus for those of us who have grown so very sick of collectivists in general.
I voted for Nelson Mandela, and I am glad I did. The vile, amoral elderly cunt and serial liar Fat Donnie trump is no Nelson Mandela.
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Post by abbey1227 on Oct 23, 2023 0:03:41 GMT
Quite the grouping.
I know you guys were totally cool with electing Nelson Mandela
The amount of stress and consternation Trump seems to elicit is just a bigtime Bonus for those of us who have grown so very sick of collectivists in general.
I voted for Nelson Mandela, and I am glad I did. The vile, amoral elderly cunt and serial liar Fat Donnie trump is no Nelson Mandela.
but.........but...........but..........he was an actual terrorist! And I know how you just can't stomach those kinda people
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Post by jeffersoncody on Oct 23, 2023 6:09:37 GMT
I voted for Nelson Mandela, and I am glad I did. The vile, amoral elderly cunt and serial liar Fat Donnie trump is no Nelson Mandela.
but.........but...........but..........he was an actual terrorist! And I know how you just can't stomach those kinda people Tell me how many people Madiba killed ABBEY?
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Post by Orlando City Cat on Oct 23, 2023 6:15:40 GMT
Why not let the voters decide? Why do democrats use the courts to get around the will of the people? What are they afraid of? Losing?
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Post by NJtoTX on Nov 4, 2023 15:06:37 GMT
Colorado:
Trump off the ballot - 10 Electoral Votes for Biden Trump on the ballot - 10 Electoral Votes for Biden
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