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Post by scream on Dec 7, 2023 16:19:32 GMT
"God helps those that help themselves." Why not, "God helps those that need help". Sort of the shortest route, it would seem, but yet it never happens. No Divine Intervention when young boys are buggered by priests. No manna dropping from Heaven when people are starving. No multiplying fish, no repair to homes damaged in an earthquake... As an update, I haven't heard a word from this man or his wife, who I had considered close friends. I could and wanted to pay him cash for his work but he won't take it. Instead he requires that I change my religious beliefs to match his. Typical Christianity, there is always a string attached. We will help you only if you validate our mass comforting delusion.
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Post by Isapop on Dec 7, 2023 23:15:07 GMT
As an update, I haven't heard a word from this man or his wife, who I had considered close friends. I could and wanted to pay him cash for his work but he won't take it. Instead he requires that I change my religious beliefs to match his. Typical Christianity, there is always a string attached. We will help you only if you validate our mass comforting delusion. Should you be expecting to hear from them? What I mean is if you're close friends, could they be, by the same token, expecting to hear from you?
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Post by scream on Dec 8, 2023 1:03:19 GMT
As an update, I haven't heard a word from this man or his wife, who I had considered close friends. I could and wanted to pay him cash for his work but he won't take it. Instead he requires that I change my religious beliefs to match his. Typical Christianity, there is always a string attached. We will help you only if you validate our mass comforting delusion. Should you be expecting to hear from them? What I mean is if you're close friends, could they be, by the same token, expecting to hear from you? Since he didn't really finish up the installation of the box or check the outlets we had talked about, technically, he should have called me to see when he could come back and finish up. So I am assuming that things have changed. A friend of mine and I can deal with the outlets, and I'll hire my plumber's associate to add a breaker for a water heater and a breaker to allow me to hook up a gas generator. I really do feel that their silence is a message. But I could be wrong.
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Post by Isapop on Dec 8, 2023 1:33:05 GMT
Should you be expecting to hear from them? What I mean is if you're close friends, could they be, by the same token, expecting to hear from you? Since he didn't really finish up the installation of the box or check the outlets we had talked about, technically, he should have called me to see when he could come back and finish up. So I am assuming that things have changed. A friend of mine and I can deal with the outlets, and I'll hire my plumber's associate to add a breaker for a water heater and a breaker to allow me to hook up a gas generator. I really do feel that their silence is a message. But I could be wrong. Since you say you could be wrong, if you value your relationship with them, you might want to give them the benefit of the doubt for now and be the one who reaches out. If they're receptive, great. If they're not, then it will look like your opinion is correct.
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Post by scream on Dec 8, 2023 3:41:00 GMT
Since he didn't really finish up the installation of the box or check the outlets we had talked about, technically, he should have called me to see when he could come back and finish up. So I am assuming that things have changed. A friend of mine and I can deal with the outlets, and I'll hire my plumber's associate to add a breaker for a water heater and a breaker to allow me to hook up a gas generator. I really do feel that their silence is a message. But I could be wrong. Since you say you could be wrong, if you value your relationship with them, you might want to give them the benefit of the doubt for now and be the one who reaches out. If they're receptive, great. If they're not, then it will look like your opinion is correct. Yeah, it's worth a try. They do have some other challenges going on right now, and that may have taken precedence. I'll think about how to reach out.
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Post by drystyx on Jan 21, 2024 22:43:30 GMT
I feel sad for you. Not because of the inconvenience, but because you felt you had to have a pity pot just because some guy wasn't that great of a guy.
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Post by PaulsLaugh on Jan 23, 2024 13:18:46 GMT
I feel sad for you. Not because of the inconvenience, but because you felt you had to have a pity pot just because some guy wasn't that great of a guy. I would’ve text back: GOD. Bet Let GOOD Ply 4 ut.
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Post by SixOfTheRichest on Jan 24, 2024 23:40:24 GMT
Why are you so obsessed with his expressions? He was doing you a favor initially that he technically shouldn’t have been doing in the first place. You wanted to save money and ended up having to freeze your bony ass off. You also expressed how other neighbours helped you out. The care and kindness they showed you is what is most relevant, not beliefs which are incidental. You don’t need say anything but thank you for helping me out.
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Post by SixOfTheRichest on Jan 24, 2024 23:46:43 GMT
Sounds like you handled it right. Your friend seems like a nice guy and means well. Of course, it’s irritating when these folks think it was their prayers that convince God to act. Had God really wanted to help you, he would miraculously cause the power companies to charge nothing for their electricity. That is not the point creep. The op had him do work that wasn’t above board and there was a consequence. She didn’t like the consequence so is now passing blame.
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Post by amyghost on Jan 27, 2024 12:06:19 GMT
I'd prefer they didn't, but since I have no authority as to what they're doing within their own headspace, I don't bother with saying it.
Often enough I think having a christer tell you he's going to pray for you is their equivalent of saying 'fuck you, and I hope you burn in hell', but whatever. That'll be between them and their god to deal with their naughty thoughts later on.
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Post by mowlick on Jan 31, 2024 13:18:14 GMT
The first step is to get a an old fashioned handsaw and cut the timber with that.
The exercise will warm you up a treat.
The next is to make sure that the saw really has an old style high carbon steel blade because then you make a video of yourself sitting in front of your roaring wood stove, sharpening the saw and posting the video on Youtube under the heading "Fuck You British Gas !"
A friend did that but the video was soon taken down, probably because Youtube felt that the way British Gas is run it was quite capable of fucking itself.
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Post by ShadowSouL Likes This on Feb 1, 2024 20:17:06 GMT
Right back atcha!
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Post by scream on Feb 9, 2024 7:54:37 GMT
I don't think so, to me that would be like validating their belief system, which I don't. I rather like amyghost's suggestion of saying "I would prefer that you didn't". They have been open about what they believe, I should be able to be open about what I don't believe. That's what upsets me, they are free to promote their religion but I am not free to reject it. It's as if the Christians think that freedom of religion applies only to them. If someone I know is in need, or dealing with a difficult situation, my standard thing to say is "If there is anything I can do to help you, please let me know." That is open-ended; they get to decide what help they want.
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Post by ShadowSouL Likes This on Feb 9, 2024 8:06:12 GMT
I don't think so, to me that would be like validating their belief system, which I don't. I rather like amyghost's suggestion of saying "I would prefer that you didn't". They have been open about what they believe, I should be able to be open about what I don't believe. That's what upsets me, they are free to promote their religion but I am not free to reject it. It's as if the Christians think that freedom of religion applies only to them. If someone I know is in need, or dealing with a difficult situation, my standard thing to say is "If there is anything I can do to help you, please let me know." That is open-ended; they get to decide what help they want. That's my way of saying, "You're praying for me? I'm praying for you!" In other words, I'm throwing their feces right back at them. Applies to a lot of other similar situations and comments.
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Post by scream on Feb 9, 2024 8:46:42 GMT
I don't think so, to me that would be like validating their belief system, which I don't. I rather like amyghost's suggestion of saying "I would prefer that you didn't". They have been open about what they believe, I should be able to be open about what I don't believe. That's what upsets me, they are free to promote their religion but I am not free to reject it. It's as if the Christians think that freedom of religion applies only to them. If someone I know is in need, or dealing with a difficult situation, my standard thing to say is "If there is anything I can do to help you, please let me know." That is open-ended; they get to decide what help they want. That's my way of saying, "You're praying for me? I'm praying for you!" In other words, I'm throwing their feces right back at them. Applies to a lot of other similar situations and comments. I see your point, but I don't pray. I could say, in return, "You need prayers more than I do", but it still sounds like I am validating their belief system, and I don't. I'm not one to talk about my agnostic atheism, and I'm not trying to get anyone to change their beliefs. If I was really snarky about it, I could say, "Two hands working do more than a thousand clasped in prayer." I'm just tired of Christian's assumptions that everyone is a Christian, and that prayer works. On a slightly different note, I think a lot of Christians say that they are praying for you is virtue signaling, as if prayer is real, when perhaps they could actually do something productive, like provide a meal or donate some clothing or offer to give the person in need a ride to the doctor's office. Something real. That is why I always offer to help in any way I can, and they tell me what would help the most. I'm sorry, I really am kind of aggressive about this, I've just been burned by religion too many times.
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