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Post by ☭ on Nov 28, 2023 15:00:27 GMT
Yes.
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Post by ayatollah on Nov 28, 2023 17:01:45 GMT
Narratives I'm hearing a lot of lately:
1) Muslims hate homosexuals 2) Muslims hate women 3) The whole thing is the fault of the British/ Americans/ Nazis, etc.
It's an obvious attempt to win over western leftists who love gays and hate white people.
It is true that the reason Jews migrated to Palestine in the first place was discrimination faced elsewhere, but the moment those migrants established a Jewish state to the exclusion of the Palestinians that wasn't anyone else's fault.
Hitler doesn't necessitate what the IDF is doing this very minute in Gaza.
I get the feeling the next step in this line of thinking is going to be "Well since it's your fault you should allow the Palestinians to come to your countries" and (they probably won't) every western nation should flat refuse to help in this ethnic cleansing.
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Post by damngumby on Nov 29, 2023 15:47:37 GMT
Narratives I'm hearing a lot of lately: 1) Muslims hate homosexuals 2) Muslims hate women 3) The whole thing is the fault of the British/ Americans/ Nazis, etc. It's an obvious attempt to win over western leftists who love gays and hate white people. It is true that the reason Jews migrated to Palestine in the first place was discrimination faced elsewhere, but the moment those migrants established a Jewish state to the exclusion of the Palestinians that wasn't anyone else's fault. Hitler doesn't necessitate what the IDF is doing this very minute in Gaza. I get the feeling the next step in this line of thinking is going to be "Well since it's your fault you should allow the Palestinians to come to your countries" and (they probably won't) every western nation should flat refuse to help in this ethnic cleansing. How are there 2 million Arabs in Israel, I wonder? The Arabs that were excluded, were the hostile ones. Will you pro-Pals please try to get something right?
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Post by ayatollah on Nov 29, 2023 16:34:10 GMT
Narratives I'm hearing a lot of lately: 1) Muslims hate homosexuals 2) Muslims hate women 3) The whole thing is the fault of the British/ Americans/ Nazis, etc. It's an obvious attempt to win over western leftists who love gays and hate white people. It is true that the reason Jews migrated to Palestine in the first place was discrimination faced elsewhere, but the moment those migrants established a Jewish state to the exclusion of the Palestinians that wasn't anyone else's fault. Hitler doesn't necessitate what the IDF is doing this very minute in Gaza. I get the feeling the next step in this line of thinking is going to be "Well since it's your fault you should allow the Palestinians to come to your countries" and (they probably won't) every western nation should flat refuse to help in this ethnic cleansing. How are there 2 million Arabs in Israel, I wonder? The Arabs that were excluded, were the hostile ones. Will you pro-Pals please try to get something right? The ones in Israel are the ones who stayed out during the war, the ones in the occupied territories are descended from those who fled. The war started upon declaration of a Jewish state. Imagine if the US declared itself a white, Christian state. Or a black state, or whatever race or ethnicity.
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Post by damngumby on Nov 29, 2023 16:48:21 GMT
How are there 2 million Arabs in Israel, I wonder? The Arabs that were excluded, were the hostile ones. Will you pro-Pals please try to get something right? The ones in Israel are the ones who stayed out during the war, the ones in the occupied territories are descended from those who fled. The war started upon declaration of a Jewish state. Imagine if the US declared itself a white, Christian state. Or a black state, or whatever race or ethnicity. The ones who “stayed out of the war” were not hostile. They were not “excluded”. They are Israeli citizens. Now that you know, please try to avoid repeating your previous falsehood.
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Post by ayatollah on Nov 29, 2023 17:15:45 GMT
The ones in Israel are the ones who stayed out during the war, the ones in the occupied territories are descended from those who fled. The war started upon declaration of a Jewish state. Imagine if the US declared itself a white, Christian state. Or a black state, or whatever race or ethnicity. The ones who “stayed out of the war” were not hostile. They were not “excluded”. They are Israeli citizens. Now that you know, please try to avoid repeating your previous falsehood. Most of those who fled weren't violent, but nearly all of them were "hostile" to an apartheid state being founded for another ethnic group. Yes, the Palestinians who stayed are Israeli citizens but they're treated differently by the law.
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Post by damngumby on Nov 29, 2023 17:40:44 GMT
The ones who “stayed out of the war” were not hostile. They were not “excluded”. They are Israeli citizens. Now that you know, please try to avoid repeating your previous falsehood. Most of those who fled weren't violent, but nearly all of them were "hostile" to an apartheid state being founded for another ethnic group. Yes, the Palestinians who stayed are Israeli citizens but they're treated differently by the law. So you agree the Arabs were hostile because the Jews were throwing off the shackles of being a dhimmi of an Islamic state. The only thing the Israeli Arabs are “excluded” from is compulsory military service. Now do the 800,000 Jews who were expelled from Arab states and the status of the few remaining Jews, today.
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Post by ayatollah on Nov 29, 2023 18:08:48 GMT
Most of those who fled weren't violent, but nearly all of them were "hostile" to an apartheid state being founded for another ethnic group. Yes, the Palestinians who stayed are Israeli citizens but they're treated differently by the law. So you agree the Arabs were hostile because the Jews were throwing off the shackles of being a dhimmi of an Islamic state. The only thing the Israeli Arabs are “excluded” from is compulsory military service. Now do the 800,000 Jews who were expelled from Arab states and the status of the few remaining Jews, today. Wouldn't you be hostile if some other ethnic group declared the place you live to be their ethnostate?
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Post by damngumby on Nov 29, 2023 18:30:50 GMT
So you agree the Arabs were hostile because the Jews were throwing off the shackles of being a dhimmi of an Islamic state. The only thing the Israeli Arabs are “excluded” from is compulsory military service. Now do the 800,000 Jews who were expelled from Arab states and the status of the few remaining Jews, today. Wouldn't you be hostile if some other ethnic group declared the place you live to be their ethnostate? Would I become hostile if, say, American Indians started buying up property in my area with the intent to establish a safe community for themselves? Depends on how much of a racist I was, I guess. Your point?
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Post by ayatollah on Nov 29, 2023 18:38:53 GMT
Wouldn't you be hostile if some other ethnic group declared the place you live to be their ethnostate? Would I become hostile if, say, American Indians started buying up property in my area with the intent to establish a safe community for themselves? Depends on how much of a racist I was, I guess. Your point? Not a "safe community" but their ethnostate.
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Post by damngumby on Nov 29, 2023 18:52:28 GMT
Would I become hostile if, say, American Indians started buying up property in my area with the intent to establish a safe community for themselves? Depends on how much of a racist I was, I guess. Your point? Not a "safe community" but their ethnostate. Obviously the Indian community would be populated mostly by Indians. If I objected to that, If I was violently opposed to them moving into my town, I’d be pretty racist. Wouldn’t you say?
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Post by ayatollah on Nov 29, 2023 18:57:16 GMT
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Post by damngumby on Nov 29, 2023 19:10:44 GMT
That’s more like some white homeless people entering the Native American community and causing so many problems that the Indians decide to evict them all. I think most people would understand … except for a few white racists who would suddenly become very critical of the Indians, even if they wouldn’t want the evicted living anywhere near themselves.
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Post by ayatollah on Nov 29, 2023 19:34:45 GMT
That’s more like some white homeless people entering the Native American community and causing so many problems that the Indians decide to evict them all. I think most people would understand … except for a few white racists who would suddenly become very critical of the Indians, even if they wouldn’t want the evicted living anywhere near themselves. I can understand evicting the criminals but *all* Africans? Every single one of them? Even if they didn't break any law? Thats acceptable to the international community it seems as nobody (afaik) has objected to Israel doing this.
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Post by damngumby on Nov 29, 2023 20:42:31 GMT
That’s more like some white homeless people entering the Native American community and causing so many problems that the Indians decide to evict them all. I think most people would understand … except for a few white racists who would suddenly become very critical of the Indians, even if they wouldn’t want the evicted living anywhere near themselves. I can understand evicting the criminals but *all* Africans? Every single one of them? Even if they didn't break any law? Thats acceptable to the international community it seems as nobody (afaik) has objected to Israel doing this. According to your article, he wants a plan written up to remove all illegal immigrants. That sort of thing should be within the rights of any country. I mean, it’s not like they’re Kuwait, who kicked out their entire Palestinian population (300,000+) because they supported Saddam Hussein during the Gulf War.
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