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Post by dlancer on Dec 11, 2023 23:26:36 GMT
Yes.
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Post by jammer81386 on Dec 11, 2023 23:33:42 GMT
Correlation=/= Causation.
One obvious factor to consider when address this topic is conformity. Less intelligent people tend to go along with popular sentiment and views. Thus is a heavily religious culture, they would follow religion views, and in a more secular society they would adopt more secular views.
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Post by Olaf Plunket on Dec 12, 2023 0:21:52 GMT
Are religious people really less smart, on average, than atheists?
Various studies have found that, on average, belief in God is associated with lower scores on IQ tests.
It is well established that religiosity correlates inversely with intelligence,” note Richard Daws and Adam Hampshire at Imperial College London, in a new paper published in Frontiers in Psychology, which seeks to explore why.
It’s a question with some urgency – the proportion of people with a religious belief is growing: by 2050, if current trends continue, people who say they are not religious will make up only 13 per cent of the global population. Based on the low-IQ-religiosity link, it could be argued that humanity is on course to become collectively less smart. One suggestion is that perhaps religious people tend to rely more on intuition. So, rather than having impaired general intelligence, they might be comparatively poor only on tasks in which intuition and logic come into conflict – and this might explain the lower overall IQ test results. To investigate, Daws and Hampshire surveyed more than 63,000 people online, and had them complete a 30-minute set of 12 cognitive tasks that measured planning, reasoning, attention and working memory. The participants also indicated whether they were religious, agnostic or atheist. As predicted, the atheists performed better overall than the religious participants, even after controlling for demographic factors like age and education. Agnostics tended to place between atheists and believers on all tasks. In fact, strength of religious conviction correlated with poorer cognitive performance. However, while the religious respondents performed worse overall on tasks that required reasoning, there were only very small differences in working memory. Also, some of the reasoning tasks, such as an extra-hard version of the Stroop Task known as “colour-word remapping”, had been designed to create maximum conflict between an intuitive response and a logical one, and the biggest group differences emerged on these tasks, consistent with the idea that religious people rely more on their intuition. In contrast, for a complex reasoning task – “deductive reasoning” – for which there were no obviously intuitive answers, there was much less of a group difference. Daws and Hampshire concluded: “These findings provide evidence in support of the hypothesis that the religiosity effect relates to conflict [between reasoning and intuition] as opposed to reasoning ability or intelligence more generally.” If, as this work suggests, religious belief predisposes people to rely more heavily on intuition in decision-making – and the stronger their belief, the more pronounced the impact – how much of a difference does this make to actual achievement in the real world? At the moment, there’s no data on this. But in theory, perhaps cognitive training could allow religious people to maintain their beliefs without over-relying on intuition when it conflicts with logic in day to day decision-making. We have been over this before. If you lump all "religious" people together with "Christians" you can get results somewhat like that study found. Results are entirely different if Christians are considered separately. Members of every other religion and "Jews" are more intelligent than Christians and atheists. Not only that but those religious people have more education, have higher incomes, and more stable marriages than Christians and than atheists. It is really not surprising when the reason is considered. Far too many "Christians" do not or cannot read above a rudimentary level and take the Bible far too literally even though the Bible itself requires a higher level of reading with spiritual assistance (See John 14:17). Similarly many people are atheists because they also read at a rudimentary level. The problem in politics today, the reason we only have idiots, Trump and Biden, to choose from for president at the moment is that the people who have a tragically simplistic worldview because of their inability to read at a higher level have taken control. They know how numerous they are and are tired of being dismissed as unqualified. They are determined to force their unqualified opinions on us even though the Republican ones have no idea what their opinions on anything are. I have argued with people here about how countries like the former Soviet Union, Russia today, and China are particularly backward despite having a very strong atheist bias. I mean, how stupid can atheists get, and you still not read it? I have no exact count of people here, but I suspect most of you are atheists because you are idiots, just guessing from those I have encountered.
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Post by dlancer on Dec 12, 2023 0:36:19 GMT
The problem in politics today, the reason we only have idiots, Trump and Biden, to choose from for president at the moment is that the people who have a tragically simplistic worldview because of their inability to read at a higher level have taken control. To be fair, Biden is no more of an idiot than Bernie, Buttigieg, Warren, Klobuchar, or Yang. But Trump most definitely takes the idiot cake.
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Post by Harry Skywalker on Dec 12, 2023 2:55:02 GMT
Correlation=/= Causation. One obvious factor to consider when address this topic is conformity. Less intelligent people tend to go along with popular sentiment and views. Thus is a heavily religious culture, they would follow religion views, and in a more secular society they would adopt more secular views. Religious peple are clearly dumber.
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Post by Harry Skywalker on Dec 12, 2023 2:56:25 GMT
Are religious people really less smart, on average, than atheists?
Various studies have found that, on average, belief in God is associated with lower scores on IQ tests.
It is well established that religiosity correlates inversely with intelligence,” note Richard Daws and Adam Hampshire at Imperial College London, in a new paper published in Frontiers in Psychology, which seeks to explore why.
It’s a question with some urgency – the proportion of people with a religious belief is growing: by 2050, if current trends continue, people who say they are not religious will make up only 13 per cent of the global population. Based on the low-IQ-religiosity link, it could be argued that humanity is on course to become collectively less smart. One suggestion is that perhaps religious people tend to rely more on intuition. So, rather than having impaired general intelligence, they might be comparatively poor only on tasks in which intuition and logic come into conflict – and this might explain the lower overall IQ test results. To investigate, Daws and Hampshire surveyed more than 63,000 people online, and had them complete a 30-minute set of 12 cognitive tasks that measured planning, reasoning, attention and working memory. The participants also indicated whether they were religious, agnostic or atheist. As predicted, the atheists performed better overall than the religious participants, even after controlling for demographic factors like age and education. Agnostics tended to place between atheists and believers on all tasks. In fact, strength of religious conviction correlated with poorer cognitive performance. However, while the religious respondents performed worse overall on tasks that required reasoning, there were only very small differences in working memory. Also, some of the reasoning tasks, such as an extra-hard version of the Stroop Task known as “colour-word remapping”, had been designed to create maximum conflict between an intuitive response and a logical one, and the biggest group differences emerged on these tasks, consistent with the idea that religious people rely more on their intuition. In contrast, for a complex reasoning task – “deductive reasoning” – for which there were no obviously intuitive answers, there was much less of a group difference. Daws and Hampshire concluded: “These findings provide evidence in support of the hypothesis that the religiosity effect relates to conflict [between reasoning and intuition] as opposed to reasoning ability or intelligence more generally.” If, as this work suggests, religious belief predisposes people to rely more heavily on intuition in decision-making – and the stronger their belief, the more pronounced the impact – how much of a difference does this make to actual achievement in the real world? At the moment, there’s no data on this. But in theory, perhaps cognitive training could allow religious people to maintain their beliefs without over-relying on intuition when it conflicts with logic in day to day decision-making. We have been over this before. If you lump all "religious" people together with "Christians" you can get results somewhat like that study found. Results are entirely different if Christians are considered separately. Members of every other religion and "Jews" are more intelligent than Christians and atheists. Not only that but those religious people have more education, have higher incomes, and more stable marriages than Christians and than atheists. It is really not surprising when the reason is considered. Far too many "Christians" do not or cannot read above a rudimentary level and take the Bible far too literally even though the Bible itself requires a higher level of reading with spiritual assistance (See John 14:17). Similarly many people are atheists because they also read at a rudimentary level. The problem in politics today, the reason we only have idiots, Trump and Biden, to choose from for president at the moment is that the people who have a tragically simplistic worldview because of their inability to read at a higher level have taken control. They know how numerous they are and are tired of being dismissed as unqualified. They are determined to force their unqualified opinions on us even though the Republican ones have no idea what their opinions on anything are. I have argued with people here about how countries like the former Soviet Union, Russia today, and China are particularly backward despite having a very strong atheist bias. I mean, how stupid can atheists get, and you still not read it? I have no exact count of people here, but I suspect most of you are atheists because you are idiots, just guessing from those I have encountered. You are religious therefore you are an absolute idiot, dumbass and retarded tardus. No religious person is smarter than an atheist. So nice try, you moron.
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Post by jammer81386 on Dec 12, 2023 3:23:18 GMT
Correlation=/= Causation. One obvious factor to consider when address this topic is conformity. Less intelligent people tend to go along with popular sentiment and views. Thus is a heavily religious culture, they would follow religion views, and in a more secular society they would adopt more secular views. Religious peple are clearly dumber. As evidenced by that super compelling counter argument of yours.
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Post by Harry Skywalker on Dec 12, 2023 3:31:38 GMT
Religious peple are clearly dumber. As evidenced by that super compelling counter argument of yours. Says you aka the dumb religious person. Go back to your church duties.
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Post by jammer81386 on Dec 12, 2023 3:37:57 GMT
As evidenced by that super compelling counter argument of yours. Says you aka the dumb religious person. Go back to your church duties. Call me names all you want, but my reasoning is right there for you to take on.
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Post by Harry Skywalker on Dec 12, 2023 3:40:15 GMT
Says you aka the dumb religious person. Go back to your church duties. Call me names all you want, but my reasoning is right there for you to take on. Yes, you are wrong and I'm right. Nice try.
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Post by jammer81386 on Dec 12, 2023 4:42:04 GMT
Call me names all you want, but my reasoning is right there for you to take on. Yes, you are wrong and I'm right. Nice try. ^^further proof of the atheist tendency to confuse intelligence with conceit.
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Post by Winter_King on Dec 12, 2023 9:49:12 GMT
The Bible says Die Hard is a Christmas movie. So is Die Hard 2. "Thou shall honor Die Hard and it's sequel as a Christmas Movie" - Gospel of John (McClane)
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Post by SciFive on Dec 12, 2023 11:16:33 GMT
Some of my favorite books are written by Jewish PhD Physicists who are Orthodox Jews.
They make all the sense in the world as Physicists and religious people.
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Post by SciFive on Dec 12, 2023 11:18:54 GMT
It is illogical to make assumptions about individuals based on some overall study.
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Post by yggdrasil on Dec 12, 2023 12:45:32 GMT
A belief in the supernatural will always be higher among the lesser educated, but that is forgetting how much is also down to indoctrination from a very early age. It is such a part of certain people's culture that it becomes a subject where rational thinking is ignored, even among otherwise very intelligent people. Some people also struggle with the idea of a cruel and uncaring chaotic universe/multiverse and like the comfort blanket of an orderly system placed upon it. Many rural societies revolve around it too, so that it is the whole fabric of that small enclosed world, church is the hub that all social life encircles, in those areas "Organised" religion is even more important than the religion part.
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