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Post by movieliker on Jan 27, 2018 5:54:55 GMT
All great points in my opinion. I had the same reaction as you did. If you note, in my opening post, I said, "It seemed a bit dramatic for me." I think that is because you and I are males. Females are generally more emotional, and more attracted to drama as is evidenced by their entertainment choices. But I agree. I am more impressed with people who handle emotional issues logically, smartly and unemotionally. I feel emotions can affect judgement. And with a predator, an emotional reaction gives them some victory as in they were hoping to affect others. I also agree there was no specific mention of what he supposedly did exactly. I assumed he used his hands to touch them inappropriately. But since you asked, I found an article that specifically said he inserted his fingers inside their vaginas and anuses. And fondled their breasts. In some cases he inserted his whole hand. www.indystar.com/story/news/2018/01/25/heres-what-larry-nassar-actually-did-his-patients/1065165001/And, this seems important to me, all his victims were under 16. Which I think makes it easier to accept them not taking more effective action. Thanks for the link; that provided some illuminating information. There are still some elements to this which give me pause, the most troubling of which is this: he was convicted (plead guilty) on seven counts, so why in the blue hell was his sentencing hearing a parade of 156 victims? What is the point, here? To make a legal decision about his sentence? Clearly not. Catharsis? Okay, but is that catharsis show worth pulling a few seams out of the fabric of our justice system? Not to me, it's not. Ten years from now, will we be putting people in the stocks and letting the public throw shit at them? Just MF-ing convict the guy on whichever cases you can process under legal standards (or get him to plea on), sentence him based on the nature of his actions in the cases you have fully adjudicated, and save the catharsis and the "bravest people I have ever seen" bullshit for Nancy Grace or Megyn Kelly or Oprah or some candlelight vigils. That's not what courtrooms are for. I'm with you on this, movieliker. We should ease up on the drama in our justice system. Those are great questions that raise points I never thought of. My only guess is the judge wanted to see the depth and breadth of the crimes he committed before deciding on his sentence. The more victims that were willing to come forward, testify, and bring specific information concerning their victimization situation, the better she would be able to decide an appropriate sentence. |
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Post by Harold of Whoa on Feb 2, 2018 3:03:06 GMT
This one really hits home. This girl wasn't even angry like most of the other ones. This was all genuine. I feel for her. I know this is a late response, but it took some time to process this, and since the testimonial show is still going on in a different jurisdiction, I wanted to reply. Thanks for posting that video. Very powerful stuff. She seems like a remarkable girl. I wish I could say that experience (of watching her) cleared away my clouds of uneasiness, but unfortunately it just brings up as many questions as it answers. I just have a hard time reconciling the notion of this obviously smart and poised girl considering Nasser "the greatest" and someone she "looked up to...so much", and thought of as a healer who helped her overcome "countless injuries" but then went on to be "in denial" about his predatory nature. A girl that sharp is not going to be confused about whether she is being diddled by a perv, or it seems nearly impossible to believe so. I can believe that she might stay silent out of fear of not being believed, or because competitive gymnasts are inculcated not to complain or question authority...that's all perfectly understandable...but that does not seem compatible with idolizing and friendship of the monster. What was the turn-around? The story she presents in her 'testimony' doesn't say. I suppose it's possible that all the admiration and friendship originated early on when he wasn't molesting her, then one day when she was a little older he took his liberties, and her suffering was from that point on. I hope that is what happened, because the alternative make me queasy and I wouldn't want to mention it. Let's just put it this way: our justice system does not have a sterling history of flawless jurisprudence when it comes to mass child molestation convictions. I'm sure everything's fine in this case, though, and he's creep who's getting what he deserves. It's all good. Even so, I don't get the legal standing of hundreds of victims testifying in cases which were never adjudicated. I repeat, our courts have a very specific function. They do not exist to be a part of the "healing process". Charge him with as many cases as you can prosecute. If you can make him roll into a plea deal, then thanks for saving the taxpayers money and time, but suck it up and only include the cases you adjudicated in your sentencing hearing; don't grandstand and don't make it a sideshow of New Age crap about healing or empowerment or "voices" or any other bullshit. |
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Post by movieliker on Feb 2, 2018 3:56:42 GMT
This one really hits home. This girl wasn't even angry like most of the other ones. This was all genuine. I feel for her. I know this is a late response, but it took some time to process this, and since the testimonial show is still going on in a different jurisdiction, I wanted to reply. Thanks for posting that video. Very powerful stuff. She seems like a remarkable girl. I wish I could say that experience (of watching her) cleared away my clouds of uneasiness, but unfortunately it just brings up as many questions as it answers. I just have a hard time reconciling the notion of this obviously smart and poised girl considering Nasser "the greatest" and someone she "looked up to...so much", and thought of as a healer who helped her overcome "countless injuries" but then went on to be "in denial" about his predatory nature. A girl that sharp is not going to be confused about whether she is being diddled by a perv, or it seems nearly impossible to believe so. I can believe that she might stay silent out of fear of not being believed, or because competitive gymnasts are inculcated not to complain or question authority...that's all perfectly understandable...but that does not seem compatible with idolizing and friendship of the monster. What was the turn-around? The story she presents in her 'testimony' doesn't say. I suppose it's possible that all the admiration and friendship originated early on when he wasn't molesting her, then one day when she was a little older he took his liberties, and her suffering was from that point on. I hope that is what happened, because the alternative make me queasy and I wouldn't want to mention it. Let's just put it this way: our justice system does not have a sterling history of flawless jurisprudence when it comes to mass child molestation convictions. I'm sure everything's fine in this case, though, and he's creep who's getting what he deserves. It's all good. Even so, I don't get the legal standing of hundreds of victims testifying in cases which were never adjudicated. I repeat, our courts have a very specific function. They do not exist to be a part of the "healing process". Charge him with as many cases as you can prosecute. If you can make him roll into a plea deal, then thanks for saving the taxpayers money and time, but suck it up and only include the cases you adjudicated in your sentencing hearing; don't grandstand and don't make it a sideshow of New Age crap about healing or empowerment or "voices" or any other bullshit. Maybe that is what the judge wanted to do. Show everyone --- including Larry Nasser --- what a terrible thing he had done. In the end, judges work for the people. They need to justify their decisions. She knew the press would be there. She wanted the world to see what had happened. Obviously the public wants to know. And I can't understand you not understanding why a little girl would say nothing in such a situation. She trusted him. She liked him. She respected him. When he told her that was a legitimate medical examination, she believed him. What would she know at such a young age? And one other observation I would like to clarify. Obviously, this girl was not filled with rage, anger, hatred and vengeance like some of the other victims who testified. She seemed to be just disappointed and heartbroken that someone she admired, respected, looked up to, and loved --- turned out to be such a terrible person. |
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