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Post by averagejoe2021 on Dec 21, 2023 3:38:10 GMT
No...the insurrection with Trump. I might have missed it. When did that happen? I'd bet most of my life savings the real reason they are throwing everything at the wall is because they don't want this to be their best bet. It's not like we have a lot of experience with insurrections since the Civil War so it is uncharted territory in many ways. We still don't...at least not with Trump in any way . In truth, he's just feared by a bunch of hyper-emotional TDS sufferers who don't care they've been acting like children for years. This is just their latest coping...nothing more.
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Post by Orlando City Cat on Dec 21, 2023 4:22:48 GMT
Is there a legal definition of an “Insurrection”? It’s pretty subjective and ambiguous. And what are democrats afraid of? The Voters?
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Post by cinemachinery on Dec 21, 2023 4:35:35 GMT
Eh it remains to be seen if it’s right.
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Post by SixOfTheRichest on Dec 21, 2023 7:00:19 GMT
Win the GOP nomination or presidency? presidency He hasn’t even won the nomination yet to actively be in the running to win the presidency again. Hypothetically, if he is running for the presidency again, why can’t he win? What will happen if he does?
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Post by SixOfTheRichest on Dec 21, 2023 7:02:11 GMT
Is there a legal definition of an “Insurrection”? It’s pretty subjective and ambiguous. And what are democrats afraid of? The Voters? They be afraid that Trump will grab their pussies again, or their wives pussies.
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Post by SixOfTheRichest on Dec 21, 2023 7:06:29 GMT
Who gives a rats! Colorado can say and do anything it wants too. It is apparently a safe Democratic state regardless. Why would what Colorado wants or does, affect the rest of the country? The 14th Amendment is an amendment ratified by 28 states to become part of the American constitution. Colorado was a territory when it was ratified, but as a state belonging to the United States, it is governed by the Constitution. Several states have cases like this pending. Not like we have insurrections happening all the time. Who knew Donnie would try one? That means Jack squat and is all smoke and mirrors. How will it stop Trump running for the presidency? It’s voters who decide, or is that rigged Democrat counting.
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Post by cts1 on Dec 21, 2023 7:27:20 GMT
Not convinced this is a good idea pre-conviction. Also, if the USA won't just say "no!" to the priapic toddler on his own merits, the USA deserves him, anyways.
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Post by merh on Dec 21, 2023 10:36:32 GMT
The 14th Amendment is an amendment ratified by 28 states to become part of the American constitution. Colorado was a territory when it was ratified, but as a state belonging to the United States, it is governed by the Constitution. Several states have cases like this pending. Not like we have insurrections happening all the time. Who knew Donnie would try one? That means Jack squat and is all smoke and mirrors. How will it stop Trump running for the presidency? It’s voters who decide, or is that rigged Democrat counting. I'm not going to read the Colorado Constitution, but some are saying this is in their constitution-the 14th Amendment thing. It's possible since it was a territory during the Civil War, they added language dealing with insurrection to their constitution I know California's constitution defines it as a state of the United States so all the secession attempts are a waste until that wording is removed. The danger to Trump is one needs x Electoral votes to win the presidency. If enough states remove him, he could possible lose a path to gaining those Electoral votes. This is why the 3rd party runs are dumb as well. Unless they can get on enough state ballots, they have no chance outside of sucking votes away from the other candidates. California only allows write-in candidates that qualify/meet a number of petition signatures or something like that. The write in list is posted at the poll. So one can vote for Donald Duck, but if he's not on the list, the vote is wasted. Each state has its own rules on voting. The whole each state is separate & sovereign. My clients would want to move to other states, but there is an Interstate Compact where we had to ask that other state if our person could go. We had a guy who owned property in the state (a southern one-like Louisiana or Arkansas) but they said he couldn't come to their state because they didn't consider property ownership a qualification to residency so he had to wait until his probation was over to go live in his house. Florida would not only deny the petition if they caught a probationer there, they would file charges for daring to be in their state prior to being accepted. So, yeah. Each state takes itself pretty seriously In the 2016 cycle, I remember a giant Donald Trump scrawled on the bottom of a ballot. So huge, it couldn't be ignored. Thing is, each party has rules on who can vote in their primary & the GOP was pretty tight-like registered Republicans & Libertarians. Democrats allowed independents, Green, & a couple other of the smaller parties to vote their ballots in a primary. So that Trump voter likely was in one of the parties that the GOP didn't allow to vote for their nominees. I was Poll Inspector/ran that site, so my job was to facilitate voting & box it all up at the end so ballots could be counted. Not my place to worry about who voted how, not that there was time. One usually had less than an hour to tear down the poll, box it all up, & be out of the site.
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Post by merh on Dec 21, 2023 10:45:28 GMT
The 14th Amendment is an amendment ratified by 28 states to become part of the American constitution. Colorado was a territory when it was ratified, but as a state belonging to the United States, it is governed by the Constitution. Several states have cases like this pending. Not like we have insurrections happening all the time. Who knew Donnie would try one? It’s voters who decide, or is that rigged Democrat counting. The 14th Amendment was created by Republicans to limit Democrats from former slave states.
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Post by Boricanator on Dec 21, 2023 12:11:03 GMT
Which is really a redundant point, because a vote for Trump is a vote for republicans. Only in the technical sense. Look at the Republicans this tweet gleefully points out are trying to get him off the ballot. Republicans simply want to win. They opposed him in 2016 because they thought he couldn’t win. In 2020, they gleefully supported him thinking he would win. Now, with 91 charges pending and, general burnout, they don’t think he can win. So, they do this. It’s not personal. They just want to win.
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Post by ayatollah on Dec 21, 2023 12:17:55 GMT
Only in the technical sense. Look at the Republicans this tweet gleefully points out are trying to get him off the ballot. Republicans simply want to win. They opposed him in 2016 because they thought he couldn’t win. In 2020, they gleefully supported him thinking he would win. Now, with 91 charges pending and, general burnout, they don’t think he can win. So, they do this. It’s not personal. They just want to win. When you say "Republicans" you mean a relative handful of party elites. The actual voters support Trump more than all the other candidates combined.
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Post by merh on Dec 21, 2023 13:20:48 GMT
Republicans simply want to win. They opposed him in 2016 because they thought he couldn’t win. In 2020, they gleefully supported him thinking he would win. Now, with 91 charges pending and, general burnout, they don’t think he can win. So, they do this. It’s not personal. They just want to win. When you say "Republicans" you mean a relative handful of party elites. The actual voters support Trump more than all the other candidates combined. So we should chuck laws when we feel like it? By strict reading of the Constitution, Trump is not eligible to run for office because he tried to delay the count of Electoral College votes & supported a plot of false state electors. He is on recording asking for a state representative to "find" him the number of votes he needed to win. LIke it or not, it is the wording of the 14th Amendment that is doing this. Do you uphold the law or not?
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Post by yggdrasil on Dec 21, 2023 13:27:49 GMT
I struggle to see how the charge of participating in an insurrection can stick. Yes, we know he wanted one, yes, we know he encouraged one, a 5 year old could be aware of that, but he always gave himself plausible deniability to distance himself from those who would face punishment for the crime, his words were chosen carefully. And from the other side of the coin, anyone thinking that Trump not standing would help anyone but the GOP is nuts.
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Post by merh on Dec 21, 2023 14:14:15 GMT
I struggle to see how the charge of participating in an insurrection can stick. Yes, we know he wanted one, yes, we know he encouraged one, a 5 year old could be aware of that, but he always gave himself plausible deniability to distance himself from those who would face punishment for the crime, his words were chosen carefully. And from the other side of the coin, anyone thinking that Trump not standing would help anyone but the GOP is nuts. The 14th Amendment isn't a criminal statuette. Its a qualifier, like being born here or being over 35. It doesn't state the qualifiers of participating, either. Technically one could say the camera crews that films the action on January 6 2021 participated because they were there so they can't run for federal office. Donald DID tell people to go protest the certification of the election. He is on tape saying that. And yes, this case was filed by Republicans who want Donnie off the ticket
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Post by dk56 on Dec 21, 2023 14:15:49 GMT
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