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Post by bartlesby on Jan 18, 2024 15:43:17 GMT
Tbf he didn't say it was the PA. But there are people sympathetic to Hamas in the West Bank. Exactly, Bart needs to calm down. Given the corruption there of course some of it got to Hamas. All I'm asking for is some evidence of your assertion. I'd be interested to hear if Fatah was funding Hamas, considering their history, or even just these big money donors in the West Bank. |
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Post by OfUnknownOrigins on Jan 18, 2024 15:43:26 GMT
JNS? I mean, I don't cite Electronic Intifada. I'd rather have the original Wall Street Journal report. That said, it looks like Hamas was coming to them. You're arguing the opposite. You really don’t think given the corruption there that some money was funneled to there by sympathizers in the West Bank? That’s fine. Agree to disagree. |
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Post by OfUnknownOrigins on Jan 18, 2024 15:45:03 GMT
Exactly, Bart needs to calm down. Given the corruption there of course some of it got to Hamas. All I'm asking for is some evidence of your assertion. I'd be interested to hear if Fatah was funding Hamas, considering their history. It’s an assumption based on logic given the corruption and Hamas sympathizers in the West Bank. They probably don’t advertise it. I could scour the internet but I don’t care enough. Believe whatever you want to. |
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Post by bartlesby on Jan 18, 2024 15:46:04 GMT
JNS? I mean, I don't cite Electronic Intifada. I'd rather have the original Wall Street Journal report. That said, it looks like Hamas was coming to them. You're arguing the opposite. You really don’t think given the corruption there that some money was funneled to there by sympathizers in the West Bank? That’s fine. Agree to disagree. Well, I'd like something to back it up, yes. It could be possible. It could still be wrong. I mean, Israel would okay suitcases of Qatari cash going to Hamas so anything is possible. But I know we have some evidence for that. |
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Post by Winter_King on Jan 18, 2024 15:49:50 GMT
Well, point out the bit about the money coming in from the West Bank in this think-tank opinion piece. Because the criticism of UNRWA here is about where the money goes in Gaza. For starters, I said possibly in my initial response. UNRWA is active in the both the West Bank and Gaza. To suggest that some of the aid money might be diverted to a terrorist organization like Hamas through Palestinian aid workers isn't that far fetched. I already said that most of the funding to Hamas came from Palestinians living abroad and Iran. |
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Post by bartlesby on Jan 18, 2024 15:54:42 GMT
All I'm asking for is some evidence of your assertion. I'd be interested to hear if Fatah was funding Hamas, considering their history. It’s an assumption based on logic given the corruption and Hamas sympathizers in the West Bank. They probably don’t advertise it. I could scour the internet but I don’t care enough. Believe whatever you want to. That's the problem. It's not based on logic. I could say Israel allowed Oct 7th to happen because logically speaking, it's beneficial for them to continue kicking out Palestinians and they have many people sympathetic in Israel to do just that. That, however, wouldn't be based on logic because even if I'm right about their goals, it doesn't mean I'm right about the methods. To deduce that, I would need evidence. See how that can lead to a problem without it? |
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Post by Toxicalicity on Jan 18, 2024 15:55:52 GMT
What on earth are the Pals going to do with a state? Develop it into a flourishing, prosperous, democratic nation? Lmao
From the usual Hamas perspective of chaotic evil, these murderous two-faced crybabies are much better off continuing down the chosen path, masquerading as the hapless underdogs that people love to believe they are. Everything will be forgiven.
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Post by bartlesby on Jan 18, 2024 15:58:25 GMT
Well, point out the bit about the money coming in from the West Bank in this think-tank opinion piece. Because the criticism of UNRWA here is about where the money goes in Gaza. For starters, I said possibly in my initial response. UNRWA is active in the both the West Bank and Gaza. To suggest that some of the aid money might be diverted to a terrorist organization like Hamas through Palestinian aid workers isn't that far fetched. I already said that most of the funding to Hamas came from Palestinians living abroad and Iran. Why divert it from the West Bank if the UNRWA already has cash going directly into Gaza? And I know you did. I'm not saying you entirely back the claim. But you do entertain it. I find it unlikely because that seems like adding an extra step to something that wouldn't need one. |
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Post by OfUnknownOrigins on Jan 18, 2024 16:07:54 GMT
It’s an assumption based on logic given the corruption and Hamas sympathizers in the West Bank. They probably don’t advertise it. I could scour the internet but I don’t care enough. Believe whatever you want to. That's the problem. It's not based on logic. I could say Israel allowed Oct 7th to happen because logically speaking, it's beneficial for them to continue kicking out Palestinians and they have many people sympathetic in Israel to do just that. That, however, wouldn't be based on logic because even if I'm right about their goals, it doesn't mean I'm right about the methods. To deduce that, I would need evidence. See how that can lead to a problem without it? Whatever brah, believe what you want. I’m not going to argue over something so minor. I’ve got trolling to do. |
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Post by bartlesby on Jan 18, 2024 16:09:32 GMT
That's the problem. It's not based on logic. I could say Israel allowed Oct 7th to happen because logically speaking, it's beneficial for them to continue kicking out Palestinians and they have many people sympathetic in Israel to do just that. That, however, wouldn't be based on logic because even if I'm right about their goals, it doesn't mean I'm right about the methods. To deduce that, I would need evidence. See how that can lead to a problem without it? Whatever brah, believe what you want. I’m not going to argue over something so minor. I’ve got trolling to do. Well, I won't hold you up. Have fun. |
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Post by OfUnknownOrigins on Jan 18, 2024 16:10:47 GMT
Whatever brah, believe what you want. I’m not going to argue over something so minor. I’ve got trolling to do. Well, I won't hold you up. Have fun. Gracias, amigo. 🙂 |
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Post by marsatax on Jan 18, 2024 16:30:45 GMT
What on earth are the Pals going to do with a state? Develop it into a flourishing, prosperous, democratic nation? Lmao From the usual Hamas perspective of chaotic evil, these murderous two-faced crybabies are much better off continuing down the chosen path, masquerading as the hapless underdogs that people love to believe they are. Everything will be forgiven.
Good point. And furthermore, part of Palestinian propaganda is that the Palestinians have a passionate love of the land, because they were peasants and farmers. But, after 76 years of being refugees, how on earth are they going to become farmers again? |
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Post by marsatax on Jan 18, 2024 16:35:50 GMT
Secretary of State Antony Blinken told Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu last week that Israel cannot defeat Hamas — that there is no “military solution,” and that Israel will have to accept a Palestinian state.
Sounds to me like someone is coming up for re-election, and needs the support of the loony left in order to win.
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Post by bartlesby on Jan 18, 2024 16:40:57 GMT
What on earth are the Pals going to do with a state? Develop it into a flourishing, prosperous, democratic nation? Lmao From the usual Hamas perspective of chaotic evil, these murderous two-faced crybabies are much better off continuing down the chosen path, masquerading as the hapless underdogs that people love to believe they are. Everything will be forgiven.
Good point. And furthermore, part of Palestinian propaganda is that the Palestinians have a passionate love of the land, because they were peasants and farmers. But, after 76 years of being refugees, how on earth are they going to become farmers again? True, it's hard to grow crops when settlers take them over or when the land is in the middle of a crater-pocked refugee camp with millions of people displaced into it. Maybe they should drop the agrarian line. |
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Post by primethefirst on Jan 18, 2024 17:11:38 GMT
I forgot about this--I remember news reports that Israel removed jewish settlers from Gaza by force.
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