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Post by movieliker on Feb 3, 2018 5:14:22 GMT
Now you are over complicating things again. I think you know the answer. Maybe you are just bored and looking for something to do. The "enemies" of the United States got them because the US had them. The "allies" of the United States got them because our enemies had them. But you knew that already. No, I absolutely am not. This isn't an exercise in being pedantic. It is worthless trying to predict how someone will behave with their nuclear weapons if you don't understand why they got them. Take India and Pakistan as an example. They didn't develop their respective nuclear programs just because they wanted be players in international relations, and they didn't just decide to get into an arms race with each other for the heck of it. They initiated their respective programs because they were engaging in frequent and ongoing hot wars over disputed territory. Whether India initially went down the nuclear road just to gain an advantage in that contest, or whether they feared that Pakistan would beat them to it and wanted to avoid that is irrelevant, really; each nation went nuclear to advance or defend their position in a specific contest that they felt was existential, and they were not willing to depend on the support of a sponsor nuclear state, nor the good offices of their enemy adhering to a non-proliferation treaty to assure that position. The US initially developed nukes to win WWII. The US and the Soviet Union ended up in contest for domination of Europe, and then ultimately the world. ("Domination" is an over-simplification, but it gets the point across.) The development of more, and more powerful, weapons and delivery systems was a direct result of the desire not to fall behind in that existential contest. The current state of nuclear affairs with Russia is just a downstream relic of that contest. Over what are the US and North Korea vying? What hope would NK possibly have in achieving any sort of parity, or even a deterrent posture vs the US? Seriously. You have to have an answer to that question to even begin to correlate North Korean actions with Russia (formerly the USSR). Otherwise, your confidence that things will work out the same is just whistling past the graveyard. Very impressive. If I ever want someone to show me the long way home --- after I put in a Supertramp CD --- I will call my good friend Harold_of_Whoa. In the meantime, I won't waste anybody's time unless they ask me for unimportant details. I will just respect their time and tell them, "Every country that has nukes got them to protect themselves from their enemy (enemies)." See how easy and efficient that was Harold? |
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Post by Harold of Whoa on Feb 3, 2018 5:35:22 GMT
Very impressive. If I ever want someone to show me the long way home, after I put in a Supertramp CD, I will call you. In the meantime, I won't waste anybody's time unless they ask me for unimportant details. I will just respect their time and tell them, "Every country that has nukes got them to protect themselves from their enemy (enemies)." See how easy and efficient that was Harold? Since that wasn't even remotely what I wrote, I can only conclude that you didn't read, didn't understand, or are just playing around. In any case, I'm glad you are happy and comforted by your blanket of ignorance. Good night. |
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Post by movieliker on Feb 3, 2018 5:37:41 GMT
Very impressive. If I ever want someone to show me the long way home, after I put in a Supertramp CD, I will call you. In the meantime, I won't waste anybody's time unless they ask me for unimportant details. I will just respect their time and tell them, "Every country that has nukes got them to protect themselves from their enemy (enemies)." See how easy and efficient that was Harold? Since that wasn't even remotely what I wrote, I can only conclude that you didn't read, didn't understand, or are just playing around. In any case, I'm glad you are happy and comforted by your blanket of ignorance. Good night. Good night? Well, I guess that is better than Derp ---- whatever that is. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2018 3:36:52 GMT
Big deal. Russia and China have been able to blow us up for decades. And they haven't done it yet. I wonder why? I think Sting sang the why in the 80s "It would be such an ignorant thing to do if the Russians love their children too." ...back when artists like Sting, Bono and Peter Gabriel were still relevant. I looked up to those guys back then, but I grew up, got wise while they didn't. I'd say they have actually regressed in their "old" age. Still, the song "Russians" was good with a good message and still true with the US and Russia, but you have to know that there are peoples that don't love their children too.
I think the song is more applicable to the left and right these days...
There is no monopoly on common sense
On either side of the political fence.
We share the same biology, regardless of ideology.
Believe me when I say to you,
I hope the "leftist snowflakes" love their children too
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2018 4:34:14 GMT
And at the heart of the matter is the willingness to sell us out by fast-tracking the means to weapons of mass destruction to our enemies. In the Clinton's case, it's all about money and power and influence. For Obama, it's all about destroying us. The most troubling one is actually the uranium sale by HRC, because Russia in turn is going to profit even more from selling those materials to Middle-Eastern countries. I certainly don't like Obama (he's just a tool for other masters), but HRC is THE most evil person that inhabits this planet. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2018 15:54:37 GMT
And at the heart of the matter is the willingness to sell us out by fast-tracking the means to weapons of mass destruction to our enemies. In the Clinton's case, it's all about money and power and influence. For Obama, it's all about destroying us. The most troubling one is actually the uranium sale by HRC, because Russia in turn is going to profit even more from selling those materials to Middle-Eastern countries. I certainly don't like Obama (he's just a tool for other masters), but HRC is THE most evil person that inhabits this planet. and now NK and US trade threats news.trust.org/item/20180206115222-xhu2bTrust me guys- is going to happen soon- lets just hope we take them out before they use the EMP over America and UK do yourself a favor- anyone on here who has a pacemaker ? PRAY. and make sure you get your affairs in order. Get a will notarized |
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Post by scienceisgod on Feb 6, 2018 22:01:29 GMT
North Korea is 4-D chess. Trump can say anything he wants to them, treat them like a punching bag, act tough. We never have to actually do anything about it and no Left wing progressive interventionist can ever accuse Trump of ever being insufficiently warmongering. It’s a cover against their Deep State blackmail. If Hillary were in office, Syria would be dead, Iran, even Russia, regime change all over the place for all of Israel’s enemies (but don’t dare move the embassy to their capital) and she’s have a nobel Peace Prize. Trump is literally Hitler, freeing us from ZOG.
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Post by Earthlings on Feb 6, 2018 22:19:22 GMT
Same reason Kim Jung-un wants them. The trouble is Kim is a nut job. Once he has the capability he is so over the top he will use them. Even if he knows we could and would wipe out North Korea. Now for your other question: When Is North Korea Going To Nuke Us?After months and months of calculating, assessment, mathematical determination and an estimate based on the known facts North Korea will strike America November 17, 2018. |
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Post by movieliker on Feb 6, 2018 22:44:05 GMT
Same reason Kim Jung-un wants them. The trouble is Kim is a nut job. Once he has the capability he is so over the top he will use them. Even if he knows we could and would wipe out North Korea. Now for your other question: When Is North Korea Going To Nuke Us?After months and months of calculating, assessment, mathematical determination and an estimate based on the known facts North Korea will strike America November 17, 2018. I don't believe Kim Jung-un is so crazy he would commit suicide by attempting to hit the United States with a missile. I believe he only got them for defense purposes because he knows nobody likes him. And anybody would jump at the chance to kill him, or at least, remove him from power. |
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Post by Earthlings on Feb 7, 2018 0:13:06 GMT
And at the heart of the matter is the willingness to sell us out by fast-tracking the means to weapons of mass destruction to our enemies. In the Clinton's case, it's all about money and power and influence. For Obama, it's all about destroying us. The most troubling one is actually the uranium sale by HRC, because Russia in turn is going to profit even more from selling those materials to Middle-Eastern countries. I certainly don't like Obama (he's just a tool for other masters), but HRC is THE most evil person that inhabits this planet. This is worth bumping up. mystictrekker gets it. So, so many clueless people that voted for HRC. |
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Post by movieliker on Feb 7, 2018 0:41:24 GMT
And at the heart of the matter is the willingness to sell us out by fast-tracking the means to weapons of mass destruction to our enemies. In the Clinton's case, it's all about money and power and influence. For Obama, it's all about destroying us. The most troubling one is actually the uranium sale by HRC, because Russia in turn is going to profit even more from selling those materials to Middle-Eastern countries. I certainly don't like Obama (he's just a tool for other masters), but HRC is THE most evil person that inhabits this planet. I disagree. This is anti liberal and anti Democrat paranoia. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2018 3:21:49 GMT
And at the heart of the matter is the willingness to sell us out by fast-tracking the means to weapons of mass destruction to our enemies. In the Clinton's case, it's all about money and power and influence. For Obama, it's all about destroying us. The most troubling one is actually the uranium sale by HRC, because Russia in turn is going to profit even more from selling those materials to Middle-Eastern countries. I certainly don't like Obama (he's just a tool for other masters), but HRC is THE most evil person that inhabits this planet. I disagree. This is anti liberal and anti Democrat paranoia. It's ok to disagree (that's what the free speech tagline on this site is promoting right?), but I can tell you that I am neither anti-liberal nor anti-Democrat. HRC is like a species of evil all to herself. She is the most manipulative, self-serving, lying, phony and two-faced person on the planet, who would sell us (the American people) out if she got something she wanted out of the deal. She is insanely adept at avoiding being called to account for her deeds. Bill was a selfish sex addict, not evil except in his denials of his treatment of women. Obama is just a product of our education system, but one who was mentored along the way by those who criticize America as an imperialist nation. Sadly, some nasty things took root with that guy.
Liberalism (in the classic sense) is what we should be teaching people these days. It means discernment, reasoning and an exposure to many disciplines of study and different philosophies. I've been trying to seriously practice it for the duration of my life. As a result, I never get bored.
As for Democrats, I have no problem if someone is principle centered (and honest about those principles) on things like bigger government. They, like Republicans need only make their case to the American people, without all the lying, hypocrisy, cheating and stealing that goes with it. If we had real journalism, rather than a media that is biased and frankly outright dishonest, we might be able to have a free exchange of ideas and a better informed populace. It's not the Democrat name that bothers me, it's all the judicial activism and disregard for the Constitution that bothers me. They can't seem to convince the American people completely enough (and then get so juvenile and hostile when the vote doesn't go their way), that they resort to tactics where their desired outcome (and they have no tolerance whatsoever that others have a different view of things) justifies whatever means gets them there. I had to endure 8 years of Obama. They can't even endure 1 month of Trump. I sense a difference in the level of maturity there. This unrelenting attack on our President is going to backfire big time on them. And I'm not paranoid, I just want respect for the law and justice to be served on ANYONE who breaks the law or uses the power of government on their political opponents.
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Post by movieliker on Feb 7, 2018 4:04:43 GMT
I disagree. This is anti liberal and anti Democrat paranoia. It's ok to disagree (that's what the free speech tagline on this site is promoting right?), but I can tell you that I am neither anti-liberal nor anti-Democrat. HRC is like a species of evil all to herself. She is the most manipulative, self-serving, lying, phony and two-faced person on the planet, who would sell us (the American people) out if she got something she wanted out of the deal. She is insanely adept at avoiding being called to account for her deeds. Bill was a selfish sex addict, not evil except in his denials of his treatment of women. Obama is just a product of our education system, but one who was mentored along the way by those who criticize America as an imperialist nation. Sadly, some nasty things took root with that guy.
Liberalism (in the classic sense) is what we should be teaching people these days. It means discernment, reasoning and an exposure to many disciplines of study and different philosophies. I've been trying to seriously practice it for the duration of my life. As a result, I never get bored.
As for Democrats, I have no problem if someone is principle centered (and honest about those principles) on things like bigger government. They, like Republicans need only make their case to the American people, without all the lying, hypocrisy, cheating and stealing that goes with it. If we had real journalism, rather than a media that is biased and frankly outright dishonest, we might be able to have a free exchange of ideas and a better informed populace. It's not the Democrat name that bothers me, it's all the judicial activism and disregard for the Constitution that bothers me. They can't seem to convince the American people completely enough (and then get so juvenile and hostile when the vote doesn't go their way), that they resort to tactics where their desired outcome (and they have no tolerance whatsoever that others have a different view of things) justifies whatever means gets them there. I had to endure 8 years of Obama. They can't even endure 1 month of Trump. I sense a difference in the level of maturity there. This unrelenting attack on our President is going to backfire big time on them. And I'm not paranoid, I just want respect for the law and justice to be served on ANYONE who breaks the law or uses the power of government on their political opponents.
I disagree. The Republicans are no different than the Democrats. The only difference is their platform. Their tactics are the same. The Republicans hated having Obama as president. They shut down the government the same way the Democrats did. They fought against ObamaCare because it wasn't in the best interest of their rich corporate friends. They lied for 8 years about having a better plan. And when finally got into power, they looked like fools because they had nothing. They don't care about the people or the country. All they care about is money, their rich friends and the perks and privileges they get representing them. Yeah, the Democrats have problems. But the Republicans are no better. Hillary Clinton is gone. She is past news. When are you going to move on to present concerns and quite harping on the Republicans' favorite boogie man. Nobody cares about Hillary anymore. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2018 19:36:45 GMT
It's ok to disagree (that's what the free speech tagline on this site is promoting right?), but I can tell you that I am neither anti-liberal nor anti-Democrat. HRC is like a species of evil all to herself. She is the most manipulative, self-serving, lying, phony and two-faced person on the planet, who would sell us (the American people) out if she got something she wanted out of the deal. She is insanely adept at avoiding being called to account for her deeds. Bill was a selfish sex addict, not evil except in his denials of his treatment of women. Obama is just a product of our education system, but one who was mentored along the way by those who criticize America as an imperialist nation. Sadly, some nasty things took root with that guy.
Liberalism (in the classic sense) is what we should be teaching people these days. It means discernment, reasoning and an exposure to many disciplines of study and different philosophies. I've been trying to seriously practice it for the duration of my life. As a result, I never get bored.
As for Democrats, I have no problem if someone is principle centered (and honest about those principles) on things like bigger government. They, like Republicans need only make their case to the American people, without all the lying, hypocrisy, cheating and stealing that goes with it. If we had real journalism, rather than a media that is biased and frankly outright dishonest, we might be able to have a free exchange of ideas and a better informed populace. It's not the Democrat name that bothers me, it's all the judicial activism and disregard for the Constitution that bothers me. They can't seem to convince the American people completely enough (and then get so juvenile and hostile when the vote doesn't go their way), that they resort to tactics where their desired outcome (and they have no tolerance whatsoever that others have a different view of things) justifies whatever means gets them there. I had to endure 8 years of Obama. They can't even endure 1 month of Trump. I sense a difference in the level of maturity there. This unrelenting attack on our President is going to backfire big time on them. And I'm not paranoid, I just want respect for the law and justice to be served on ANYONE who breaks the law or uses the power of government on their political opponents.
I disagree. The Republicans are no different than the Democrats. The only difference is their platform. Their tactics are the same. The Republicans hated having Obama as president. They shut down the government the same way the Democrats did. They fought against ObamaCare because it wasn't in the best interest of their rich corporate friends. They lied for 8 years about having a better plan. And when finally got into power, they looked like fools because they had nothing. They don't care about the people or the country. All they care about is money, their rich friends and the perks and privileges they get representing them. Yeah, the Democrats have problems. But the Republicans are no better. Hillary Clinton is gone. She is past news. When are you going to move on to present concerns and quite harping on the Republicans' favorite boogie man. Nobody cares about Hillary anymore. First off, I think I'm getting the hang of these quote bubbles now. They don't bring in the entire conversation, only the last couple replies which is good.
I know you will continue to disagree (that's fine), but personally I think you are creating false equivalences and doing a bit of deflecting. It would be foolish to deny that both sides are always playing a bit of a manipulation game with the American public (there's just too much at stake for them... money, power and influence), but what the Obama DOJ and FBI appears to have done (with a complicit media) goes way beyond the bounds on ethics and justice and into the realms of REAL un-American activities. To say they are both the same is to make a false equivalence. You should know that I think the guilty should be punished, regardless of whether or not they are on my side of the political spectrum. People tried to say that it was ok for HRC to have a private email because Colin Powell or David Petraeus did too. I say that if they used it in an inappropriate manner (against laws, security clearances, etc.), ALL should pay the price. If there really was colluding with the Russians from the Trump camp (I truly believe there is none), they/he should be held accountable.
An equivalence you should make is that BOTH parties are parties for the rich. While true Republican policies favor capitalism, Democratic policies favor stateism with the money simply going to the ones they favor and that's a club that's even harder for you and I to get in. One need only look at the Presidents, CEO's or owners of the biggest corporations these days to see that there is just as much, if not more liberal leadership at these places as there are conservative leaders. To portray that it's just the Republicans who are for the rich is an outright falsehood.
Lastly, on HRC. It's easy to say nobody cares about her these days, but I don't think she's going away just yet. She believes the Presidency is her birthright and I can see her getting back in the mix in 2020. I believe it's possible she will be rejected in the primaries, but who knows? Nonetheless, have you made a judgment statement on her behavior: Benghazi, private email server, uranium one, the fix within the DNC on her nomination, her financial control of the DNC, the Clinton Foundation, the dossier, etc.? I don't see where you can deflect from her without answering this and wanting justice if crimes were committed. I truly hope that we've seen the last of her on the political stage, but she needs to be called into account. There can be no moving on from this (and possible Obama connections) until we have some answers.
I meant to address the following as well: They fought against ObamaCare because it wasn't in the best interest of their rich corporate friends. - No, because it was passed clandestinely against the will of the American people. A 1000 page bill with tendrils into all aspects of American life, that nobody read.
They lied for 8 years about having a better plan. - Partially true. There were ideas out there, with complete repeal of the ACA being the best option IMO. I will acknowledge that the only thing good about the ACA was the attempt at addressing the issue of pre-existing conditions.
And when "they" finally got into power, they looked like fools because they had nothing. - True, because at this juncture many were finding ways to use it to pass money onto themselves and their cronies. Some never intended to repeal it anyway. Sad.
I don't mind the discourse on this. I not a person who has knee-jerk support for everything and anyone Republican. There are several Republicans that I would never vote for (Kasich, Portman, McCain, and more). My favorite guy is Rand Paul. I think he is thoughtful, sincere, principled, has the interest of all the American people at heart, and seems willing to work with opponents on certain things such as prison reforms.
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