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Feb 3, 2018 19:38:53 GMT
Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2018 19:38:53 GMT
The significance of the dossier information will be argued back and forth by the Dems and the Republicans. We'll just have to wait until all the related information, Dem and Repub, is released - and I'm sure the BS will continue to fly in both directions.
This calls to mind the JFK Assassination Warren Commission info that was kept secret for almost 55 years until it was released recently (it was, wasn't it?). We expected some bombshell revelations, conspiracy theories proved, or confirmation of who did what. I don't recall any such info coming into public view and it's almost as if the withheld information never was revealed - the anticipation was more interesting than the reality of the release of this info. One wonders why this was kept secret for so many years. The release came into trhe news, and then disappeared. What was revealed of any significance, anyway?
The hype leading up to the FBI file's release also promised much but, at least to now, has not revealed anything definitive, exculpatory, or condemning. All interpretation seems very subjective. So, where's the "smoking gun"?
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Feb 3, 2018 19:54:43 GMT
Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2018 19:54:43 GMT
The significance of the dossier information will be argued back and forth by the Dems and the Republicans. We'll just have to wait until all the related information, Dem and Repub, is released - and I'm sure the BS will continue to fly in both directions. This calls to mind the JFK Assassination Warren Commission info that was kept secret for almost 55 years until it was released recently (it was, wasn't it?). We expected some bombshell revelations, conspiracy theories proved, or confirmation of who did what. I don't recall any such info coming into public view and it's almost as if the withheld information never was revealed - the anticipation was more interesting than the reality of the release of this info. One wonders why this was kept secret for so many years. The release came into trhe news, and then disappeared. What was revealed of any significance, anyway? The hype leading up to the FBI file's release also promised much but, at least to now, has not revealed anything definitive, exculpatory, or condemning. All interpretation seems very subjective. So, where's the "smoking gun"? I didnt need to see the report. I knew it was going to be BS or very little evidence even to this day. The US govt will never admit it conspired to kill their own POTUS Take my word for it, there is no way you can assassinate the president of the united states like that in a triangular crossfire turkey shoot with all those witnesses without it being an inside job. And getting rid of all the evidence like that happened( Oswalds interrogation tape missing- gee i wonder why?) Nobody in the history of the world has ever seen a more a blatant coverup. It wasnt the Cubans or the Russians.( Khrushchev respected JFK and would never let that happen especially after he just struck a deal with him a year before in Cuban Missile Crisis- he wasnt going to risk starting WW3 after what just happened) Ditto for Castro( Russias puppet)- he came this close from getting nuked. The CIA and the mob was in cahoots. The mafia took offense - even though they committed election fraud to get JFK elected in Illinois( ala mob boss Sam Gianacana) They betrayed him( RFK specifically) 21stcenturywire.com/2015/01/18/cia-and-the-mafia-old-business-pals/I am betting it was a CIA/mafia combination hit.( hence why Ruby - a connected guy in the mob killed Oswald) besides no way in hell Oswald could fire, cycle the bolt, reaim and fire 3 shots( of a moving target) from an old crappy Mannlicher Carcano in under 6 seconds. and hit twice- including a head shot. No doubt there was at least a 2nd shooter. Its been tested. and those guns stuck sometimes- even with alot of gun oil look on how the bolt sticks( requiring you to reaim every single time you fire) |
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Feb 4, 2018 6:02:26 GMT
Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2018 6:02:26 GMT
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Feb 4, 2018 10:28:53 GMT
Post by ebuzzmiller on Feb 4, 2018 10:28:53 GMT
Well it's a deliberate smokescreen to try and generate the idea there's a rogue FBI out to cause a coup and make Trump appear the victim and de-legitimize the Mueller probe.
It's bullshit and you'd have to be into some hardcore Oliver Stone level conspiracy fever dream to think otherwise.
Now if the Democrats did finance the Steele dossier that's ethically dubious, but who cares? All election campaigns scour for any background dirt they can find, it's a grimy game.
It WOULD be a big deal the surveillance was based on that...except there's no way that's the only evidence against Carter Page this is based upon. We know this because he's been investigated since before Trump's campaign was a glimmer in his eye. It makes perfect sense they'd reopen looking at him again once he became a Trump policy adviser, if only to vet him thoroughly for any impropriety.
It's a nothing burger and especially since Nunes has shown himself to be a Trump toadie already and it's apparent selective inclusion of information it smacks of less a whistle blower and more a political stunt.
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Feb 5, 2018 23:16:24 GMT
Post by Harold of Whoa on Feb 5, 2018 23:16:24 GMT
Now if the Democrats did finance the Steele dossier that's ethically dubious, but who cares? All election campaigns scour for any background dirt they can find, it's a grimy game. Yeah, except that the DoJ officials were ethically bound to give the FISA judge an honest assessment of the legitimacy of the dossier in using it even as a partial basis for the surveillance warrant. They renewed the warrant application several times after they new the dossier was political hokum and did not mention that fact. The FBI usage of the Steele dossier for any legal purpose whatsoever is direct evidence of either 1) pervasive dangerous incompetence (best case scenario), or 2) pervasive political corruption. |
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Feb 5, 2018 23:45:02 GMT
Post by slowcomingwarbird on Feb 5, 2018 23:45:02 GMT
The significance of the dossier information will be argued back and forth by the Dems and the Republicans. We'll just have to wait until all the related information, Dem and Repub, is released - and I'm sure the BS will continue to fly in both directions. This calls to mind the JFK Assassination Warren Commission info that was kept secret for almost 55 years until it was released recently (it was, wasn't it?). We expected some bombshell revelations, conspiracy theories proved, or confirmation of who did what. I don't recall any such info coming into public view and it's almost as if the withheld information never was revealed - the anticipation was more interesting than the reality of the release of this info. One wonders why this was kept secret for so many years. The release came into trhe news, and then disappeared. What was revealed of any significance, anyway? The hype leading up to the FBI file's release also promised much but, at least to now, has not revealed anything definitive, exculpatory, or condemning. All interpretation seems very subjective. So, where's the "smoking gun"? Those materials are meant for the eyes of intellectuals, who have the discipline to interpret what they are looking at. If you are looking for the touchy feely answers to life and everything based on your expectations then you will always be disappointed and self deceived. You must approach it as well as most other things in life with an open mind. Because nothing in life is rarely ever what you expect it to be. Likewise if you jump into the middle of things without having followed along then you will soon find you are out of your depth, just as the song "Waters of March" illustrates so well about politics and life itself. |
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Feb 6, 2018 20:17:04 GMT
Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2018 20:17:04 GMT
You must approach it as well as most other things in life with an open mind. Because nothing in life is rarely ever what you expect it to be. I have been following this - through the maze and the accusations, and counter-accusations. The main point is whether this material proves anything or not. It certainly doesn't show anything that condemns Trump, but it sure as hell does show that the DNC was up to dirty tricks to try to pin something on him, not to mention the way it got the FISA warrant and extensions to begin with - with lies and deception. In short, this info, at least as far as what's been revealed thus far, shows that the Dems are a bunch of lying, cheating incompetents who've let their attempts to discredit Trump turn around and bite them in their own collective ass. That is the one certainty of these documents. Hopefully, this will lead to indictments for the Dem higher ups, including Hillary, Lynch and Comey, and hopefully Holder and Obama, himself. Everyone should have been put on notice as soon as Lynch told us that she'd let the Hillary indictment be determined by Comey, when it was really up to her to indict, or not to indict, based upon the information provided by the FBI. Of course, Lynch and Obama would never have indicted Hillary as the uproar would have been phenomenal. So these con artist crooks decided to dump the decision in Comey's lap - where it never belonged. And anyone who thinks that Obama wasn't behind all of this has to be a damn fool. Remember, Lynch worked for Obama. Hopefully once this matter is settled and Trump is exonerated of any wrong doing (there's nothing to condemn him that's been revealed), he can turn his attention to the crooked Dems and appoint an independent prosecutor that will lead to their indictment - and conviction. Trump, whether you like him or hate him, has proven that he's a man of his word (or tries to fulfill his promises). He said that Hillary would end up in jail, and I can't wait until he fulfills that one - along with Lynch, Holder, Comey, and Obama, whose name is now being tied more and more to this fiasco when he was never mentioned early on. This far exceeds the significance of Watergate, because Watergate was a criminal operation that pitted the Republicans against the Dems. The present matter, however, not only is one party vs. the other, it involves serious and criminal Constitutional violations against the American people, the election process, and even treason - far too serious to be swept under the rug. And Trump, by his own admission, holds grudges, and this involves perhaps the most seriouis and significant justified grudge he's ever encountered. The Dems committed crimes not just against Trump, but against America and the American people. Let them all rot in hell . . . . |
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