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Post by CowherPowerForever on Apr 24, 2024 13:54:07 GMT
When did I limit it to starting? Once in the quagmire, you can’t just pack up and leave. American has never been that trifling as the Republicans want us to be. Bush was in no hurry to capture his business associates’ terrorist son, but Obama got him good. When Biden pulled the troops out of Afghanistan, the Republicans got very upset about it. Of course you can, or get darn close to it. That is exactly what Kerry ran on in 2004. Not that he was the best candidate or anything. W used the boogeyman perfectly. He knew that Bin Laden was already dead or near dead by the time 9/11 rolled around, but he was a great boogeyman because of what he had done almost a decade prior. He was definitely dead by the time they "got to him" in 2011. This has nothing to do with Republicans being upset over drawing down on a war, of course they will be upset by that. Obama however did continue those wars, and then decided Libya and Syria needed attacked also. Then you have the awful drone program under his watch, which of course Trump never ended. When it comes to foreign intervention, neither party is perfect. They both have more than enough blood on their hands.
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Post by CowherPowerForever on Apr 24, 2024 13:57:29 GMT
The question is could he ever be more pro war than W Bush and Obama? Trump increased troops in Afghanistan and expanded the drone program. At least Obama ended the War in Iraq. But Trump kept the wars going. Obama didn't end any war. Come on. But we agree about Trump, I do believe he said he wanted to eliminate the drone program or at least pull it back. Obama also was involved with Libya and Syria. So its not like he didn't start foreign interventions of his own. My view is both parties have blood on their hands, and both major candidates running for President in 2024 have that blood on them as well. When will they answer for it? When will W and Obama answer for it?
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Post by CowherPowerForever on Apr 24, 2024 14:01:14 GMT
Noam is pretty smart, but that's just beyond absurd. I think his brain is going to mush as he gets closer and closer to being 100. And then the war in Libya happened. Proving that he wasn't exactly wrong.
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Post by Boricanator on Apr 24, 2024 14:15:30 GMT
Trump increased troops in Afghanistan and expanded the drone program. At least Obama ended the War in Iraq. But Trump kept the wars going. Obama didn't end any war. Come on. But we agree about Trump, I do believe he said he wanted to eliminate the drone program or at least pull it back. Obama also was involved with Libya and Syria. So its not like he didn't start foreign interventions of his own. My view is both parties have blood on their hands, and both major candidates running for President in 2024 have that blood on them as well. When will they answer for it? When will W and Obama answer for it? Obama ended the War in Iraq. You know that. The right criticized him heavily for that and even suggested that we might have to go back in. I’ll give credit to Trump that he didn’t start a new war. But it is undeniable that the last two real wars were ended by Democrats. While both parties have their sins, it is clear Republicans are more pro war. Unfortunately, there won’t be any justice here and war criminals like Bush and Cheney will continue enjoying their retirement.
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Post by abbey1227 on Apr 24, 2024 14:18:07 GMT
So much for being the President who'll "keep us out of World War III".
One area I thought he really dropped the ball on.........$Spending
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Post by CowherPowerForever on Apr 24, 2024 14:27:28 GMT
Obama didn't end any war. Come on. But we agree about Trump, I do believe he said he wanted to eliminate the drone program or at least pull it back. Obama also was involved with Libya and Syria. So its not like he didn't start foreign interventions of his own. My view is both parties have blood on their hands, and both major candidates running for President in 2024 have that blood on them as well. When will they answer for it? When will W and Obama answer for it? Obama ended the War in Iraq. You know that. The right criticized him heavily for that and even suggested that we might have to go back in. I’ll give credit to Trump that he didn’t start a new war. But it is undeniable that the last two real wars were ended by Democrats. While both parties have their sins, it is clear Republicans are more pro war. Unfortunately, there won’t be any justice here and war criminals like Bush and Cheney will continue enjoying their retirement. You are either lying or misinformed. Obama did not end the Iraq war. Democrats do tend to be more anti war, I 100 percent agree with that, however, the leaders of the party like Obama, Hillary, Biden and so on are not anti war. They will even go as far to support disgusting laws like the Patriot Act, even to this day. I hope this ends, it doesn't help their case.
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Post by abbey1227 on Apr 24, 2024 14:33:20 GMT
They will even go as far to support disgusting laws like the Patriot Act, even to this day. I hope this ends, it doesn't help their case.
That was my first big red flag that O was gonna be just another POS prez. Leaving the Patriot Act in place? That's as bad as McCain leaving the ACA.
And they just renewed their spying on Americans programs again, too
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Post by Boricanator on Apr 24, 2024 14:58:45 GMT
Obama ended the War in Iraq. You know that. The right criticized him heavily for that and even suggested that we might have to go back in. I’ll give credit to Trump that he didn’t start a new war. But it is undeniable that the last two real wars were ended by Democrats. While both parties have their sins, it is clear Republicans are more pro war. Unfortunately, there won’t be any justice here and war criminals like Bush and Cheney will continue enjoying their retirement. You are either lying or misinformed. Obama did not end the Iraq war. Democrats do tend to be more anti war, I 100 percent agree with that, however, the leaders of the party like Obama, Hillary, Biden and so on are not anti war. They will even go as far to support disgusting laws like the Patriot Act, even to this day. I hope this ends, it doesn't help their case. Obama ended the War in Iraq in 2011. It literally ended on December 18th, 2011. That is not debatable. You need to read up. I agree with Hillary and, to an extent, Obama. But Biden did advise Obama to not increase Troops in Afghanistan and he ended the War in Afghanistan. It seems the Bush years changed him. You can teach an old dog new tricks.
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Post by cts1 on Apr 24, 2024 22:37:14 GMT
Obama was a worse warmonger than Bush according to Noam Chomsky. Because of all the drone strikes. I don't know if I agree with him but he is a smart guy.
Noam is pretty smart, but that's just beyond absurd. I think his brain is going to mush as he gets closer and closer to being 100. Sounds like shit-stirring for the sake of shit-stirring.
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Post by cts1 on Apr 24, 2024 22:38:44 GMT
It was discussed for years. If you think it's never going to be discussed again, you're nuts. When someone says something that disrespectful, it's like dog crap under your shoe. Trump will never scrape that off. Some writers will note it in his obituary. Good. Being so disrespectful of someone who served the nation under such harrowing circumstances is abominable. Say, Donald, let's have some operate on you and not use anesthesia, 'kay? Nobody has a shred of proof and these are demonic professional warmongering liars and gaslighters. Your side. Demonic? Are the "demonic professional warmongering liars and gaslighters" in the room with you right now?
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Post by kiwi on Apr 25, 2024 2:49:34 GMT
Nobody has a shred of proof and these are demonic professional warmongering liars and gaslighters. Your side. Demonic? Are the "demonic professional warmongering liars and gaslighters" in the room with you right now? They were but they left to attend Trump’s trial.
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