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Post by Flying Monkeys on Apr 25, 2024 15:28:53 GMT
So you think a war should end when the death tolls are even? That you back off and leave you enemy mostly in tact? That would be utter lunacy. You obliterate them - end of. Including the civilians. That's what ix called genocide and it has been outlawed. But go ahead. Justify war crimes because they do it. We can do it better. I have said for years the IDF goes on at least a 10 for 1 ratio to discourage the enemy. If they get in the way, tough. |
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Post by bartlesby on Apr 25, 2024 15:35:23 GMT
Including the civilians. That's what ix called genocide and it has been outlawed. But go ahead. Justify war crimes because they do it. We can do it better. I have said for years the IDF goes on at least a 10 for 1 ratio to discourage the enemy. If they get in the way, tough. Well, that sounds like you're justifying not just war crimes but terrorism. Not a shock, mind, but then anybody is fair game if they stand in the way by simply being present. This is the same ideology held by terrorists the world over. That civilians are fair game in the greater battle. |
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Post by papamihel on Apr 25, 2024 15:45:22 GMT
Fucking horrible. I blame Israel. Too right. We didn't have to be born Jews. |
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Post by SciFive on Apr 25, 2024 16:01:05 GMT
If they get in the way, tough. Well, that sounds like you're justifying not just war crimes but terrorism. Not a shock, mind, but then anybody is fair game if they stand in the way by simply being present. This is the same ideology held by terrorists the world over. That civilians are fair game in the greater battle. Terrorists TARGET CIVILIANS WHEN NO SOLDIERS AT ALL ARE HIDING UNDER THEM OR BEHIND THEM.
The Pal terrorists go for ice cream shops where Mommies and their little kids are getting ice cream, for example.
A Pal terrorist blew himself up among 30 senior citizens (some of them Holocaust survivors) who were sitting down to a Passover dinner at a hotel dining room.
No soldiers in either case. They target civilians 99.99% of the time because they can sneak up on unarmed, unaware people of all ages who are just eating dinner, on their way to work, or enjoying a treat with their toddlers.
This is who Israel is facing. This is what the Pal terrorists are in real life.
Israel is going after these monsters and warning everyone everywhere that combat is about to happen so that people can get out of the way.
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Post by bartlesby on Apr 25, 2024 16:04:26 GMT
Well, that sounds like you're justifying not just war crimes but terrorism. Not a shock, mind, but then anybody is fair game if they stand in the way by simply being present. This is the same ideology held by terrorists the world over. That civilians are fair game in the greater battle. Terrorists TARGET CIVILIANS WHEN NO SOLDIERS AT ALL ARE HIDING UNDER THEM OR BEHIND THEM.
The Pal terrorists go for ice cream shops where Mommies and their little kids are getting ice cream, for example.
A Pal terrorist blew himself up among 30 senior citizens (some of them Holocaust survivors) who were sitting down to a Passover dinner at a hotel dining room.
No soldiers in either case. They target civilians 99.99% of the time because they can sneak up on unarmed, unaware people of all ages who are just eating dinner, on their way to work, or enjoying a treat with their toddlers.
This is who Israel is facing. This is what the Pal terrorists are in real life.
And Israel bombs anybody they want. Kids, women, doctors, aid workers, journalists, etc. We saw this with the killing of the WCK workers who, despite taking every measure to communicate with the IDF, were nonetheless murdered. People with white flags murdered. Kill zones where any males are murdered. The list goes on and on. And yet you're supposed to be the morally correct ones? Pull the other leg. |
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Post by SciFive on Apr 25, 2024 16:08:03 GMT
Terrorists TARGET CIVILIANS WHEN NO SOLDIERS AT ALL ARE HIDING UNDER THEM OR BEHIND THEM.
The Pal terrorists go for ice cream shops where Mommies and their little kids are getting ice cream, for example.
A Pal terrorist blew himself up among 30 senior citizens (some of them Holocaust survivors) who were sitting down to a Passover dinner at a hotel dining room.
No soldiers in either case. They target civilians 99.99% of the time because they can sneak up on unarmed, unaware people of all ages who are just eating dinner, on their way to work, or enjoying a treat with their toddlers.
This is who Israel is facing. This is what the Pal terrorists are in real life. Where are the 34,000 bodies? No one knows.
Israel is fighting Hamas. These Hamas guys are dying and being arrested (or running away).
This is what's really going on.
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Post by SciFive on Apr 25, 2024 16:09:33 GMT
If the bodies are buried in the rubble, the smell would be killer.
How does Hamas know their ages, genders, and numbers if they're all buried in the rubble?
They are making claims that they can't prove.
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Post by bartlesby on Apr 25, 2024 16:11:32 GMT
Where are the 34,000 bodies? No one knows.
Israel is fighting Hamas. These Hamas guys are dying and being arrested (or running away).
This is what's really going on.
I'd assumed many are buried because I've seen the IDF rolling bodies into makeshift mass-graves and the Gazans also bury their dead, albeit more respectfully. The rest are probably still underneath the rubble. I have the feeling the number will be far higher than that but we can't know for now because Israel doesn't often let the press in and has a tendency to kill them. |
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Post by SciFive on Apr 25, 2024 16:15:27 GMT
Where are the 34,000 bodies? No one knows.
Israel is fighting Hamas. These Hamas guys are dying and being arrested (or running away).
This is what's really going on. Burying 34,000 bodies in six months during chaos isn't possible.
Decaying bodies in rubble (34,000) would smell too badly for anyone to go near them.
Hamas just gives out numbers every day. They can't prove anything.
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Post by bartlesby on Apr 25, 2024 16:17:10 GMT
Burying 34,000 bodies in six months during chaos isn't possible.
Decaying bodies in rubble (34,000) would smell too badly for anyone to go near them.
Hamas just gives out numbers every day. They can't prove anything.
Yeah, okay. I mean, at this point, speaking with pro-Israel people is like talking to Holocaust deniers. |
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Post by SciFive on Apr 25, 2024 16:21:11 GMT
Burying 34,000 bodies in six months during chaos isn't possible.
Decaying bodies in rubble (34,000) would smell too badly for anyone to go near them.
Hamas just gives out numbers every day. They can't prove anything.
Yeah, okay. I mean, at this point, speaking with pro-Israel people is like talking to Holocaust deniers. The Palestinians are Holocaust deniers.
Mahmoud Abbas got his PhD in Russia in Holocaust Denial.
Not that the Pals being Holocaust Deniers could possibly bother you.
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Post by bartlesby on Apr 25, 2024 16:26:19 GMT
Yeah, okay. I mean, at this point, speaking with pro-Israel people is like talking to Holocaust deniers. The Palestinians are Holocaust deniers.
Mahmoud Abbas got his PhD in Russia in Holocaust Denial.
Not that the Pals being Holocaust Deniers could possibly bother you. And Bibi is a Holocaust revisionist so I guess it's going around. I'm not really talking about the Holocaust but rather how people try to discuss what Israel is doing right now and how it smacks of Holocaust denial. You yourself shared a picture of Palestinians on a beach in order to make the claim that they were doing just dandy. You just attempted to discredit the number of dead. It reminds me of Holocaust deniers who said the prisoners had swimming pools and marching bands and that the numbers of dead were inflated and the causes of death were misattributed. It seems like we're playing the same little game again with Israel. |
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Post by phludowin on Apr 25, 2024 16:44:26 GMT
It's amazing, you know, that some posters here manage to operate modern technological devices like computers and smartphones despite having IQs which ought to preclude using silverware. It's either a marvel of science or of nature and there should be a study done. I would ask you to point out where I've said anything you're claiming but that's an even bigger waste of my time than this response because I already know you can't. You know you can't, either. Let me make it crystal clear, you stuttering sub-simian fuckhead, that I don't approve of killing innocents broadly nor do I approve of hardline ideologies which kill them, no matter what the hardliners have dressed themselves up as. You seem to be making the case through your strawmanning that I should support this because you want consistency not in ethical values or moral principles, but in allegiances, and this says a whole lot more about you than it does about me. While I can condemn this execution along with condemning the killing of innocent Gazans, you cannot. It's zero sum for you. This is because you don't have any actual principles. It's all team sports. Kindly fuck off. I read two sentences and then farted. As expected from a person with very limited intelligence. |
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Post by Hairynosedwombat on Apr 25, 2024 17:26:27 GMT
Including the civilians. That's what ix called genocide and it has been outlawed. But go ahead. Justify war crimes because they do it. We can do it better. I have said for years the IDF goes on at least a 10 for 1 ratio to discourage the enemy. The IDF goes out of its way to try to avoid civilian casualties. But in a densely populated place like Gaza, civilian casualties are unfortunately inevitable. That does not mean it is "Genocide". It certainly merits why there are protests at 30,000 and not 1. And the execution of 7 aid workers (actually more like 200) proves IDF is not the Mother Teresa of Gaza. Whether it is rogue elements or deliberate IDF policy, they deliberately target civilians, such as their bombing raids on hospitals, schools, apartment buildings. |
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Post by marsatax on Apr 25, 2024 19:37:01 GMT
Burying 34,000 bodies in six months during chaos isn't possible.
Decaying bodies in rubble (34,000) would smell too badly for anyone to go near them.
Hamas just gives out numbers every day. They can't prove anything.
Yeah, okay. I mean, at this point, speaking with pro-Israel people is like talking to Holocaust deniers. Most leftist Israel-bashers are more subtle than Holocaust-deniers. They don't deny the October 7 atrocities; they just don't want to hear about them. |
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