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Post by averagejoe2021 on May 6, 2024 22:57:34 GMT
Sure thing.... do you want: Poverty rates, home ownership rates, illegal alien volume, consumer confidence, inflation levels, inflation vs wages, personal debt, Russian expansion versus none, LPR, etc? Which field do you wish to lose on? I'm not picky so I leave the choice to you. What did all that cost in terms of the national debt? For example did Trump increase the national debt as much as Obama did? He did! Was it a lot? It was! That's fascinating. But that did not lead to inflation? I'm certain it did. See, the Trump Republicans are mentally retarded and when you increase the national debt all they see is the increase in wages. They don't understand that the prices will chase wages (inflation) presently, but there will be a delay because people have to get out of their personal debt first before prices go up. I have tried to explain it to the Trump base before, but they never learned anything at all in school, and they aren't about to start learning now. No, Trump did not control the border better than his predecessors. After the social and economic changes on the heels of covid the border has been a disaster for Biden, but I already said that. Did I lose? You bet I did. Reality lost. The delusional Trump base won. The border saved money due to lower costs for illegals..as did virtually being energy independent, as did the growing of the economy at a faster rate than either Obama or Biden despite identical levels of spending. We had lower poverty and wages outpaced inflation as well as higher consumer confidence and LPR. Additionally, the inflation levels were barely above 1% for Trump's presidency...even after the higher spending. Yes.. we already saw how the wage increases in California (for example) led to larger increases in inflation/costs. The objective evidence verifies the border was under better control. At least you were right that you lost so chalk that one for posterity. Maybe rant some more about abortion to cover up for the fact Biden's dementia is still front and enter (along with his other failures) despite efforts to curb it.
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Post by Olaf Plunket on May 7, 2024 0:03:57 GMT
What did all that cost in terms of the national debt? For example did Trump increase the national debt as much as Obama did? He did! Was it a lot? It was! That's fascinating. But that did not lead to inflation? I'm certain it did. See, the Trump Republicans are mentally retarded and when you increase the national debt all they see is the increase in wages. They don't understand that the prices will chase wages (inflation) presently, but there will be a delay because people have to get out of their personal debt first before prices go up. I have tried to explain it to the Trump base before, but they never learned anything at all in school, and they aren't about to start learning now. No, Trump did not control the border better than his predecessors. After the social and economic changes on the heels of covid the border has been a disaster for Biden, but I already said that. Did I lose? You bet I did. Reality lost. The delusional Trump base won. The border saved money due to lower costs for illegals..as did virtually being energy independent, as did the growing of the economy at a faster rate than either Obama or Biden despite identical levels of spending. We had lower poverty and wages outpaced inflation as well as higher consumer confidence and LPR. Additionally, the inflation levels were barely above 1% for Trump's presidency...even after the higher spending. Yes.. we already saw how the wage increases in California (for example) led to larger increases in inflation/costs. The objective evidence verifies the border was under better control. At least you were right that you lost so chalk that one for posterity. Maybe rant some more about abortion to cover up for the fact Biden's dementia is still front and enter (along with his other failures) despite efforts to curb it. For whatever reasons Obama had a serious problem with unemployment the first two years of his first term. Starting around 5% it shot up to just short of 10%, however in his remaining six years as president Obama steadily dropped it to about 5%, or where it was when he started. Blame Obama if you want. Opinions vary. Trump brought down unemployment from that 5% to about 3.5%. While that could be all kinds of wonderful, Obama brought unemployment down 5% and Trump only brought it down 1.5%, with a nearly identical increase in the national debt as Obama. That is what was so annoying at the time, that Trump took the accolades and Obama did better work -- for each dollar anyway. I am not asking you to draw any conclusions here. There are too many other factors being ignored by this simplified analysis. I would dare to suggest though that Trump never did anything impressive, certainly not as impressive as his ardent fans believe. You obviously are not going to admit Trump is a fraud, so in that sense I am losing here. You may run on the poor showing of Biden on the border. It is all you have. I was not able to corroborate your claim that any money was saved unless you are comparing Trump to Biden, not Obama. Whether Trump can deal better with the mess left by covid remains to be seen though. If you think energy independence is great, I have no numbers to show against that view. Well, there is the problem that energy independence depletes our supplies, which could be a disadvantage if there should be another energy crisis. However as long as there is no energy crisis, we should be fine. Your belief that Trump is more mentally competent than Biden probably derives from the fact that you have no idea what Trump has actually done. I do not need to rant about abortion, a majority of women do that.
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Post by Bud47 on May 7, 2024 0:34:51 GMT
The border saved money due to lower costs for illegals..as did virtually being energy independent, as did the growing of the economy at a faster rate than either Obama or Biden despite identical levels of spending. We had lower poverty and wages outpaced inflation as well as higher consumer confidence and LPR. Additionally, the inflation levels were barely above 1% for Trump's presidency...even after the higher spending. Yes.. we already saw how the wage increases in California (for example) led to larger increases in inflation/costs. The objective evidence verifies the border was under better control. At least you were right that you lost so chalk that one for posterity. Maybe rant some more about abortion to cover up for the fact Biden's dementia is still front and enter (along with his other failures) despite efforts to curb it. For whatever reasons Obama had a serious problem with unemployment the first two years of his first term. Starting around 5% it shot up to just short of 10%, however in his remaining six years as president Obama steadily dropped it to about 5%, or where it was when he started. Blame Obama if you want. Opinions vary. Trump brought down unemployment from that 5% to about 3.5%. While that could be all kinds of wonderful, Obama brought unemployment down 5% and Trump only brought it down 1.5%, with a nearly identical increase in the national debt as Obama. That is what was so annoying at the time, that Trump took the accolades and Obama did better work -- for each dollar anyway. I am not asking you to draw any conclusions here. There are too many other factors being ignored by this simplified analysis. I would dare to suggest though that Trump never did anything impressive, certainly not as impressive as his ardent fans believe. You obviously are not going to admit Trump is a fraud, so in that sense I am losing here. You may run on the poor showing of Biden on the border. It is all you have. I was not able to corroborate your claim that any money was saved unless you are comparing Trump to Biden, not Obama. Whether Trump can deal better with the mess left by covid remains to be seen though. If you think energy independence is great, I have no numbers to show against that view. Well, there is the problem that energy independence depletes our supplies, which could be a disadvantage if there should be another energy crisis. However as long as there is no energy crisis, we should be fine. Your belief that Trump is more mentally competent than Biden probably derives from the fact that you have no idea what Trump has actually done. I do not need to rant about abortion, a majority of women do that. Much of the mess from COVID on the domestic side was due to Trump's mishandled response and misinformation campaign, all just to hold onto his precious base. Not to mention he threw out the plans for dealing with a pandemic outbreak simply because it came from Obama's administration. If he had put his fragile ego aside, instead of trying to appeal to his cult of hillbillies and evangelicals, the human and economic fallout might not have been as bad. I wouldn't expect he could pull us out of anything related to COVID. He'd probably bury us knee-deep into the next outbreak, while pretending it'll just magically disappear.
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Post by Bud47 on May 7, 2024 0:50:37 GMT
What did all that cost in terms of the national debt? For example did Trump increase the national debt as much as Obama did? He did! Was it a lot? It was! That's fascinating. But that did not lead to inflation? I'm certain it did. See, the Trump Republicans are mentally retarded and when you increase the national debt all they see is the increase in wages. They don't understand that the prices will chase wages (inflation) presently, but there will be a delay because people have to get out of their personal debt first before prices go up. I have tried to explain it to the Trump base before, but they never learned anything at all in school, and they aren't about to start learning now. No, Trump did not control the border better than his predecessors. After the social and economic changes on the heels of covid the border has been a disaster for Biden, but I already said that. Did I lose? You bet I did. Reality lost. The delusional Trump base won. The border saved money due to lower costs for illegals..as did virtually being energy independent, as did the growing of the economy at a faster rate than either Obama or Biden despite identical levels of spending. We had lower poverty and wages outpaced inflation as well as higher consumer confidence and LPR. Additionally, the inflation levels were barely above 1% for Trump's presidency...even after the higher spending. Yes.. we already saw how the wage increases in California (for example) led to larger increases in inflation/costs. The objective evidence verifies the border was under better control. At least you were right that you lost so chalk that one for posterity. Maybe rant some more about abortion to cover up for the fact Biden's dementia is still front and enter (along with his other failures) despite efforts to curb it. You keep bringing up Biden's so-called dementia, yet still fail to address the fact that it was Trump that took a dementia test and found it difficult and then bragged about acing it as if it were an IQ test. Again, let's hand Biden's SOTU speech to Trump and see how far he can get before he goes off track. The concern with Biden is his age in general. Especially at the end of another 4-year term. He's kinda the total package when you think of the stereotypical "dear old grandpa". Trump just hides his better because he snorts Adderall (sniff, sniff) and dips his face into motor oil. You'd think he'd put a coat or two on his hands and ears to match. 😆 Old and senile versus old and psychopathic. Not great choices. It becomes a whole lot easier when you look at their potential cabinets. Qualified experts versus unqualified loyalist yes-men.
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Post by averagejoe2021 on May 7, 2024 0:51:57 GMT
The border saved money due to lower costs for illegals..as did virtually being energy independent, as did the growing of the economy at a faster rate than either Obama or Biden despite identical levels of spending. We had lower poverty and wages outpaced inflation as well as higher consumer confidence and LPR. Additionally, the inflation levels were barely above 1% for Trump's presidency...even after the higher spending. Yes.. we already saw how the wage increases in California (for example) led to larger increases in inflation/costs. The objective evidence verifies the border was under better control. At least you were right that you lost so chalk that one for posterity. Maybe rant some more about abortion to cover up for the fact Biden's dementia is still front and enter (along with his other failures) despite efforts to curb it. For whatever reasons Obama had a serious problem with unemployment the first two years of his first term. Starting around 5% it shot up to just short of 10%, however in his remaining six years as president Obama steadily dropped it to about 5%, or where it was when he started. Blame Obama if you want. Opinions vary. Trump brought down unemployment from that 5% to about 3.5%. While that could be all kinds of wonderful, Obama brought unemployment down 5% and Trump only brought it down 1.5%, with a nearly identical increase in the national debt as Obama. That is what was so annoying at the time, that Trump took the accolades and Obama did better work -- for each dollar anyway. I am not asking you to draw any conclusions here. There are too many other factors being ignored by this simplified analysis. I would dare to suggest though that Trump never did anything impressive, certainly not as impressive as his ardent fans believe. You obviously are not going to admit Trump is a fraud, so in that sense I am losing here. You may run on the poor showing of Biden on the border. It is all you have. I was not able to corroborate your claim that any money was saved unless you are comparing Trump to Biden, not Obama. Whether Trump can deal better with the mess left by covid remains to be seen though. If you think energy independence is great, I have no numbers to show against that view. Well, there is the problem that energy independence depletes our supplies, which could be a disadvantage if there should be another energy crisis. However as long as there is no energy crisis, we should be fine. Your belief that Trump is more mentally competent than Biden probably derives from the fact that you have no idea what Trump has actually done. I do not need to rant about abortion, a majority of women do that. "For whatever reasons Obama had a serious problem with unemployment the first two years of his first term. Starting around 5% it shot up to just short of 10%, however in his remaining six years as president Obama steadily dropped it to about 5%, or where it was when he started. Blame Obama if you want. Opinions vary." And those jobs were mostly low paying as even the low inflation outpaced the wage growth and poverty rates rose and home ownership rates dropped. Yes, I'll blame Obama for increasing regulations (including Obamacare) that stifled the recovery....thank you. "Trump brought down unemployment from that 5% to about 3.5%. While that could be all kinds of wonderful, Obama brought unemployment down 5%" Due to an economy that was already self-correcting. It can be more strongly argued Obama's added regulations stifled said recovery which is why there was much lower consumer confidence as companies sat on near record levels of cash due to uncertainty. Providing even more perspective, Obama's economy saw low inflation outpace wages, higher poverty rates, lower home ownership rates than Trump, lower LPR, etc. So Trump objectively did far better work for the economy. "I am not asking you to draw any conclusions here. There are too many other factors being ignored by this simplified analysis. I would dare to suggest though that Trump never did anything impressive, certainly not as impressive as his ardent fans believe." Your suggestion is noted but is also statistically inaccurate as these are objectively accurate. "You obviously are not going to admit Trump is a fraud, so in that sense I am losing here." Well, its one of many areas you're losing so why be partial? You couldn't refute Biden was worse off for his mental decline, his worse economy, you did concede the worse border, but there was also higher inflation and poverty under Biden and lower home ownership rates under Biden. Now if you are talking about Fraud in a court case... that is likely accurate but doesn't refute he is more mentally competent and objectively had a far more impressive presidential record than Biden (and others). "You may run on the poor showing of Biden on the border. It is all you have." There's also the Russian expansion that didn't occur under Trump, the record inflation, the higher prices, the lower rates of home ownership, the record personal debt as a result, lower wages vs inflation, loss of value in the average household, lower consumer confidence, botched Afghanistan withdraw, mental decline, failure to maintain more order in the ME, NK progress lost, China becoming emboldened, etc. Take your pick. Each failure likely contributes to varying degrees. "If you think energy independence is great, I have no numbers to show against that view. Well, there is the problem that energy independence depletes our supplies, which could be a disadvantage if there should be another energy crisis. However as long as there is no energy crisis, we should be fine." The lower energy prices led to lower costs across the board. Even without a crisis, this is most certainly a benefit. "Your belief that Trump is more mentally competent than Biden probably derives from the fact that you have no idea what Trump has actually done." Not really. As I said.... once Trump has to be led by the Easter Bunny and secret service not to get lost on the WH lawn where he worked for years. Once he gets lost on stage like Biden has. Once his own doctor said he is mentally losing it. Once he calls on dead people and says he recently met with people who died decades ago... THEN I'll pretend you're not just trolling with such a blatantly false premise that you put forward. "I do not need to rant about abortion, a majority of women do that." Women do that, huh? imdb1.freeforums.net/thread/48185/trumps-poll-numbers-good-libs imdb1.freeforums.net/thread/48029/high-court-kicks-trump-ballot imdb1.freeforums.net/thread/47558/republicans-morally-superiorimdb1.freeforums.net/thread/47397/problem-solutionimdb1.freeforums.net/thread/46598/woe-unto-generationOut of a few dozen where you rant/whine about it. Just because you got turned into a woman on this thread (among others), doesn't make you a woman.
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Post by averagejoe2021 on May 7, 2024 1:01:54 GMT
The border saved money due to lower costs for illegals..as did virtually being energy independent, as did the growing of the economy at a faster rate than either Obama or Biden despite identical levels of spending. We had lower poverty and wages outpaced inflation as well as higher consumer confidence and LPR. Additionally, the inflation levels were barely above 1% for Trump's presidency...even after the higher spending. Yes.. we already saw how the wage increases in California (for example) led to larger increases in inflation/costs. The objective evidence verifies the border was under better control. At least you were right that you lost so chalk that one for posterity. Maybe rant some more about abortion to cover up for the fact Biden's dementia is still front and enter (along with his other failures) despite efforts to curb it. You keep bringing up Biden's so-called dementia, yet still fail to address the fact that it was Trump that took a dementia test and found it difficult and then bragged about acing it as if it were an IQ test. Again, let's hand Biden's SOTU speech to Trump and see how far he can get before he goes off track. The concern with Biden is his age in general. Especially at the end of another 4-year term. He's kinda the total package when you think of the stereotypical "dear old grandpa". Trump just hides his better because he snorts Adderall (sniff, sniff) and dips his face into motor oil. You'd think he'd put a coat or two on his hands and ears to match. 😆 Old and senile versus old and psychopathic. Not great choices. It becomes a whole lot easier when you look at their potential cabinets. Qualified experts versus unqualified loyalist yes-men. So... in your opinion..Biden doesn't have dementia or some level of mental decline that 2/3 of Americans admit is a concern? "Again, let's hand Biden's SOTU speech to Trump and see how far he can get before he goes off track." As I said...once Trump has to be led by the Easter Bunny and secret service not to get lost on the WH lawn where he worked for years. Once he gets lost on stage like Biden has. Once his own doctor said he is mentally losing it. Once he calls on dead people and says he recently met with people who died decades ago... then I'll entertain your notion that reading a speech (after potentially being pumped up on drugs) offsets all that. I already admitted Trump is a liar, thin-skinned, petty, unscrupulous in business, unfaithful, etc. But I also cannot deny he was by far the better president. That's why I went from not supporting him in 2016..to supporting him thereafter. The fact Trump is by far mentally more aware is just an additional reason why.
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Post by Olaf Plunket on May 7, 2024 1:49:55 GMT
For whatever reasons Obama had a serious problem with unemployment the first two years of his first term. Starting around 5% it shot up to just short of 10%, however in his remaining six years as president Obama steadily dropped it to about 5%, or where it was when he started. Blame Obama if you want. Opinions vary. Trump brought down unemployment from that 5% to about 3.5%. While that could be all kinds of wonderful, Obama brought unemployment down 5% and Trump only brought it down 1.5%, with a nearly identical increase in the national debt as Obama. That is what was so annoying at the time, that Trump took the accolades and Obama did better work -- for each dollar anyway. I am not asking you to draw any conclusions here. There are too many other factors being ignored by this simplified analysis. I would dare to suggest though that Trump never did anything impressive, certainly not as impressive as his ardent fans believe. You obviously are not going to admit Trump is a fraud, so in that sense I am losing here. You may run on the poor showing of Biden on the border. It is all you have. I was not able to corroborate your claim that any money was saved unless you are comparing Trump to Biden, not Obama. Whether Trump can deal better with the mess left by covid remains to be seen though. If you think energy independence is great, I have no numbers to show against that view. Well, there is the problem that energy independence depletes our supplies, which could be a disadvantage if there should be another energy crisis. However as long as there is no energy crisis, we should be fine. Your belief that Trump is more mentally competent than Biden probably derives from the fact that you have no idea what Trump has actually done. I do not need to rant about abortion, a majority of women do that. "For whatever reasons Obama had a serious problem with unemployment the first two years of his first term. Starting around 5% it shot up to just short of 10%, however in his remaining six years as president Obama steadily dropped it to about 5%, or where it was when he started. Blame Obama if you want. Opinions vary." And those jobs were mostly low paying as even the low inflation outpaced the wage growth and poverty rates rose and home ownership rates dropped. Yes, I'll blame Obama for increasing regulations (including Obamacare) that stifled the recovery....thank you. "Trump brought down unemployment from that 5% to about 3.5%. While that could be all kinds of wonderful, Obama brought unemployment down 5%" Due to an economy that was already self-correcting. It can be more strongly argued Obama's added regulations stifled said recovery which is why there was much lower consumer confidence as companies sat on near record levels of cash due to uncertainty. Providing even more perspective, Obama's economy saw low inflation outpace wages, higher poverty rates, lower home ownership rates than Trump, lower LPR, etc. So Trump objectively did far better work for the economy. "I am not asking you to draw any conclusions here. There are too many other factors being ignored by this simplified analysis. I would dare to suggest though that Trump never did anything impressive, certainly not as impressive as his ardent fans believe." Your suggestion is noted but is also statistically inaccurate as these are objectively accurate. "You obviously are not going to admit Trump is a fraud, so in that sense I am losing here." Well, its one of many areas you're losing so why be partial? You couldn't refute Biden was worse off for his mental decline, his worse economy, you did concede the worse border, but there was also higher inflation and poverty under Biden and lower home ownership rates under Biden. Now if you are talking about Fraud in a court case... that is likely accurate but doesn't refute he is more mentally competent and objectively had a far more impressive presidential record than Biden (and others). "You may run on the poor showing of Biden on the border. It is all you have." There's also the Russian expansion that didn't occur under Trump, the record inflation, the higher prices, the lower rates of home ownership, the record personal debt as a result, lower wages vs inflation, loss of value in the average household, lower consumer confidence, botched Afghanistan withdraw, mental decline, failure to maintain more order in the ME, NK progress lost, China becoming emboldened, etc. Take your pick. Each failure likely contributes to varying degrees. "If you think energy independence is great, I have no numbers to show against that view. Well, there is the problem that energy independence depletes our supplies, which could be a disadvantage if there should be another energy crisis. However as long as there is no energy crisis, we should be fine." The lower energy prices led to lower costs across the board. Even without a crisis, this is most certainly a benefit. "Your belief that Trump is more mentally competent than Biden probably derives from the fact that you have no idea what Trump has actually done." Not really. As I said.... once Trump has to be led by the Easter Bunny and secret service not to get lost on the WH lawn where he worked for years. Once he gets lost on stage like Biden has. Once his own doctor said he is mentally losing it. Once he calls on dead people and says he recently met with people who died decades ago... THEN I'll pretend you're not just trolling with such a blatantly false premise that you put forward. "I do not need to rant about abortion, a majority of women do that." Women do that, huh? imdb1.freeforums.net/thread/48185/trumps-poll-numbers-good-libs imdb1.freeforums.net/thread/48029/high-court-kicks-trump-ballot imdb1.freeforums.net/thread/47558/republicans-morally-superiorimdb1.freeforums.net/thread/47397/problem-solutionimdb1.freeforums.net/thread/46598/woe-unto-generationOut of a few dozen where you rant/whine about it. Just because you got turned into a woman on this thread (among others), doesn't make you a woman. I did not get turned into a woman. You are a psychopath though. You are not paying attention. Here and elsewhere I explained to you that the trivial benefits you keep harping about came at a cost to the national debt that has nothing to do with conservatives, their Republican representatives, or any truly religious group of people. Trump is in fact a Democrat who hates your Republican guts. He has never done anything except make you look stupid, because he wants to make you look stupid. You know he is on trial, right? Do you believe he is a playboy who got caught messing people over, or what? Do you really believe he won the 2020 election? You idiot? You dare to talk about numbers? Why? They have never said what you want them to say, ever. They aren't going to start. It makes little difference to me whether Trump or Biden wins in November. The country is on the fast train to hell either way. There are too many fighters and not enough thinkers in both parties. That's why the news is chock full of stupid fighting. The voters are going to get what they want, but they aren't going to pay the bill. That goes for Democrats and the Trump base. Let me flip a coin.
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Post by averagejoe2021 on May 7, 2024 2:08:40 GMT
"For whatever reasons Obama had a serious problem with unemployment the first two years of his first term. Starting around 5% it shot up to just short of 10%, however in his remaining six years as president Obama steadily dropped it to about 5%, or where it was when he started. Blame Obama if you want. Opinions vary." And those jobs were mostly low paying as even the low inflation outpaced the wage growth and poverty rates rose and home ownership rates dropped. Yes, I'll blame Obama for increasing regulations (including Obamacare) that stifled the recovery....thank you. "Trump brought down unemployment from that 5% to about 3.5%. While that could be all kinds of wonderful, Obama brought unemployment down 5%" Due to an economy that was already self-correcting. It can be more strongly argued Obama's added regulations stifled said recovery which is why there was much lower consumer confidence as companies sat on near record levels of cash due to uncertainty. Providing even more perspective, Obama's economy saw low inflation outpace wages, higher poverty rates, lower home ownership rates than Trump, lower LPR, etc. So Trump objectively did far better work for the economy. "I am not asking you to draw any conclusions here. There are too many other factors being ignored by this simplified analysis. I would dare to suggest though that Trump never did anything impressive, certainly not as impressive as his ardent fans believe." Your suggestion is noted but is also statistically inaccurate as these are objectively accurate. "You obviously are not going to admit Trump is a fraud, so in that sense I am losing here." Well, its one of many areas you're losing so why be partial? You couldn't refute Biden was worse off for his mental decline, his worse economy, you did concede the worse border, but there was also higher inflation and poverty under Biden and lower home ownership rates under Biden. Now if you are talking about Fraud in a court case... that is likely accurate but doesn't refute he is more mentally competent and objectively had a far more impressive presidential record than Biden (and others). "You may run on the poor showing of Biden on the border. It is all you have." There's also the Russian expansion that didn't occur under Trump, the record inflation, the higher prices, the lower rates of home ownership, the record personal debt as a result, lower wages vs inflation, loss of value in the average household, lower consumer confidence, botched Afghanistan withdraw, mental decline, failure to maintain more order in the ME, NK progress lost, China becoming emboldened, etc. Take your pick. Each failure likely contributes to varying degrees. "If you think energy independence is great, I have no numbers to show against that view. Well, there is the problem that energy independence depletes our supplies, which could be a disadvantage if there should be another energy crisis. However as long as there is no energy crisis, we should be fine." The lower energy prices led to lower costs across the board. Even without a crisis, this is most certainly a benefit. "Your belief that Trump is more mentally competent than Biden probably derives from the fact that you have no idea what Trump has actually done." Not really. As I said.... once Trump has to be led by the Easter Bunny and secret service not to get lost on the WH lawn where he worked for years. Once he gets lost on stage like Biden has. Once his own doctor said he is mentally losing it. Once he calls on dead people and says he recently met with people who died decades ago... THEN I'll pretend you're not just trolling with such a blatantly false premise that you put forward. "I do not need to rant about abortion, a majority of women do that." Women do that, huh? imdb1.freeforums.net/thread/48185/trumps-poll-numbers-good-libs imdb1.freeforums.net/thread/48029/high-court-kicks-trump-ballot imdb1.freeforums.net/thread/47558/republicans-morally-superiorimdb1.freeforums.net/thread/47397/problem-solutionimdb1.freeforums.net/thread/46598/woe-unto-generationOut of a few dozen where you rant/whine about it. Just because you got turned into a woman on this thread (among others), doesn't make you a woman. I did not get turned into a woman. You are a psychopath though. You are not paying attention. Here and elsewhere I explained to you that the trivial benefits you keep harping about came at a cost to the national debt that has nothing to do with conservatives, their Republican representatives, or any truly religious group of people. Trump is in fact a Democrat who hates your Republican guts. He has never done anything except make you look stupid, because he wants to make you look stupid. You know he is on trial, right? Do you believe he is a playboy who got caught messing people over, or what? Do you really believe he won the 2020 election? You idiot? You dare to talk about numbers? Why? They have never said what you want them to say, ever. They aren't going to start. It makes little difference to me whether Trump or Biden wins in November. The country is on the fast train to hell either way. There are too many fighters and not enough thinkers in both parties. That's why the news is chock full of stupid fighting. The voters are going to get what they want, but they aren't going to pay the bill. That goes for Democrats and the Trump base. Let me flip a coin. "I did not get turned into a woman." Then you contradicted your earlier contention. "You are a psychopath though." Can you demonstrate your claim? "You are not paying attention. Here and elsewhere I explained to you that the trivial benefits you keep harping about came at a cost to the national debt that has nothing to do with conservatives, their Republican representatives, or any truly religious group of people." Energy policy = nothing to do with debt Successful border policy = nothing to do with debt Easing of regulations that allowed the private sector to grow = nothing to do with debt VA reform = nothing to do with debt Prison reform = lowered costs and nothing to do with debt No Russian expansion = nothing to do with debt NK progress = nothing to do with debt SCOTUS judges - nothing to do with debt And even if it could be demonstrated to varying degrees..so did Biden and Obama but Trump had objectively far better results. "Trump is in fact a Democrat who hates your Republican guts. He has never done anything except make you look stupid, because he wants to make you look stupid. You know he is on trial, right? Do you believe he is a playboy who got caught messing people over, or what?" I already owned up to his personal and professional flaws. That doesn't take away that he was a successful president, played people like you like little bitches, and is more mentally sound than Biden... and apparently Biden's followers as well. I can appreciate you want others to look stupid with you, but you're at a level we cannot approach. And PS...I'm not a republican. "Do you really believe he won the 2020 election? You idiot?" Stop being a cunt. I never said that. Why do you need to lie to mask your losing? "You dare to talk about numbers? Why? They have never said what you want them to say, ever. They aren't going to start." Well if you can demonstrate how lower energy costs, lower inflation, better housing numbers, better wages vs inflation, better consumer confidence, lower poverty, lower illegal alien volume, etc mean the opposite of what you claim... maybe you'd have a point. But you don't..as usual. "Let me flip a coin." Better than you flipping out with your TDS on the regular.
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Post by Olaf Plunket on May 7, 2024 2:47:54 GMT
<nothing worth repeating, scroll back if you must> Remember when Trump said he could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot someone and he wouldn't lose votes? Did you think that was funny? It wasn't funny because it is so true. I am certain that Trump is as amazed as I am that you really are that stupid. The right lost its way a long time ago, before Trump entered politics. The "right" was once about living according to principles that could be readily established. The left was about preventing the right from abusing its power.
It was probably about the time of the Vietnam conflict that the right took up "fighting" for principles over establishing them. it might be just a coincidence. Over the years the right utterly forgot how to establish principles, and instead only fought for them, That means they left the thinking to others. They were simply told what to think, then they fought anyone who didn't think the same way. Now they don't even have anyone to think for them. They let Trump do that because they mistakenly believe he will make choices in their interests.
So there is a lot of homework that isn't getting done and the country will continue to suffer for it.
The left has no answers because that was never their main purpose. They can be a check on the power of the Trump lunatics, and perhaps they will be.
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Post by averagejoe2021 on May 7, 2024 2:52:05 GMT
<nothing worth repeating, scroll back if you must> Remember when Trump said he could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot someone and he wouldn't lose votes? Did you think that was funny? It wasn't funny because it is so true. I am certain that Trump is as amazed as I am that you really are that stupid. The right lost its way a long time ago, before Trump entered politics. The "right" was once about living according to principles that could be readily established. The left was about preventing the right from abusing its power.
It was probably about the time of the Vietnam conflict that the right took up "fighting" for principles over establishing them. it might be just a coincidence. Over the years the right utterly forgot how to establish principles, and instead only fought for them, That means they left the thinking to others. They were simply told what to think, then they fought anyone who didn't think the same way. Now they don't even have anyone to think for them. They let Trump do that because they mistakenly believe he will make choices in their interests.
So there is a lot of homework that isn't getting done and the country will continue to suffer for it.
The left has no answers because that was never their main purpose. They can be a check on the power of the Trump lunatics, and perhaps they will be.
"Remember when Trump said he could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot someone and he wouldn't lose votes? Did you think that was funny? It wasn't funny because it is so true. I am certain that Trump is as amazed as I am that you really are that stupid." I thought it was a stupid comment and I reiterated I acknowledged his flaws. And this latest deflection somehow refutes the claims of the more successful aforementioned circumstances or that Trump is more mentally coherent than Biden...how, exactly? Trust me, no one here approaches your level of stupidity and your constant moving of the goalpost to mask your growing tally of failures on this thread is noted.
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Post by Olaf Plunket on May 7, 2024 3:43:08 GMT
{1} Energy policy = nothing to do with debt {2} Successful border policy = nothing to do with debt {3} Easing of regulations that allowed the private sector to grow = nothing to do with debt {4} VA reform = nothing to do with debt {5} Prison reform = lowered costs and nothing to do with debt {6} No Russian expansion = nothing to do with debt {7} NK progress = nothing to do with debt {8} SCOTUS judges - nothing to do with debt {1} You are welcome to believe any good came of that. I don't know of any, and as I said before if there is another energy crisis, as many people believe, it just leaves us with depleted supplies. {2) You have never shown that Trump could manage the border better than predecessors or successors, even if wanted, and I doubt he does.
{3} What "private sector growth" didn't benefit from monster tax cuts and national debt? {4} Well, it wasn't very much money. That's true. {5} A bipartisan effort for which Trump deserves no credit. {6} Russia did not give back Crimea. What would a future president Trump do about Russia?
{7} Do you mean North Korea? What progress? It's still North Korea.
{8} I am certain that will be the reason above all others that he will be defeated.
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Post by averagejoe2021 on May 7, 2024 3:54:13 GMT
{1} Energy policy = nothing to do with debt {2} Successful border policy = nothing to do with debt {3} Easing of regulations that allowed the private sector to grow = nothing to do with debt {4} VA reform = nothing to do with debt {5} Prison reform = lowered costs and nothing to do with debt {6} No Russian expansion = nothing to do with debt {7} NK progress = nothing to do with debt {8} SCOTUS judges - nothing to do with debt {1} You are welcome to believe any good came of that. I don't know of any, and as I said before if there is another energy crisis, as many people believe, it just leaves us with depleted supplies. {2) You have never shown that Trump could manage the border better than predecessors or successors, even if wanted, and I doubt he does.
{3} What "private sector growth" didn't benefit from monster tax cuts / debt? {4} Well, it wasn't very much money. That's true. {5} A bipartisan effort for which Trump deserves no credit. {6} Russia did not give back Crimea. What would a future president Trump do about Russia?
{7} Do you mean North Korea? What progress? It's still North Korea.
{8} I am certain that will be the reason above all others that he will be defeated.
"{1} You are welcome to believe any good came of that. I don't know of any, and as I said before if there is another energy crisis, as many people believe, it just leaves us with depleted supplies." Can you provide a stronger counter-argument? The benefits were laid out just in case you didn't know (as you admitted). So why wouldn't I believe objective facts over your denials? "{2) You have never shown that Trump could manage the border better than predecessors or successors, even if wanted, and I doubt he does." Incorrect. There was a lower illegal alien volume at the border....along with lower volume of drug running and human trafficking. The real question is why you deny it. However, the beautiful thing is that its still accurate regardless of your ability to admit it. Trump averaged around 400k illegals are the border annually...Biden had several million,,,many times more. apnews.com/article/immigration-border-crossings-mexico-biden-18ac91ef502e0c5433f74de6cc629b32 "{3} What "private sector growth" didn't benefit from monster tax cuts / debt?" Ahh but you're ignoring I said reduction of regulations.....not reduction in taxes. "{4} Well, it wasn't very much money. That's true." TY. "{5} A bipartisan effort for which Trump deserves no credit." Nope again. "The First Step Act is the product of years of advocacy by people across the political spectrum. Indeed, a very similar bipartisan bill nearly passed in 2015, but was dragged down by election-year politics. The Trump administration began working on its own criminal justice bill in early 2018, and an initial deal was catalyzed by a core group of bipartisan legislators. It was then refined through a series of compromises and, once the Senate decided to pick up the bill, sailed through both houses of Congress with supermajority support." Thus... he had his part in it and this was the first time something of this type was passed in some time. "{6} Russia did not give back Crimea. What would a future president Trump do about Russia?" Correct..Putin took Crimea under Obama and took Eastern Ukraine under Biden. So.. Crimea river. "{7} Do you mean North Korea? What progress? It's still North Korea." Not up to date on events, huh? Talks resumed, exercises reduced, propaganda on loud speakers ended for a time, remains of veterans were returned to the US, etc. This was more progress than nearly half a century saw. "{8} I am certain that will be the reason above all others that he will be defeated." He might be...and a few months ago, Id agree with you more. However, the trends have been moving away from Biden. Its not like I'm saying anything that's controversial or obscure. These are pretty much accepted by all save a few partisans. If you want to defeat Trump, you have to use more than unsubstantiated rhetoric. Help Biden regain mental functions or instruct them to better the struggling economy (inflation just outpaced wages again last month). That's how Biden can rise to a level of mediocrity and have a better chance.
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Post by Olaf Plunket on May 7, 2024 4:21:02 GMT
<nothing much worth repeating> You seem to believe you have made good arguments and I have not. I see it differently, that I have made good arguments and you have not. So much for discussion boards. {9} Trump while president: Moves United States embassy for Israel from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem. {10} Trump recently: "Israel is losing the PR war." Oh yeah, the right will be back when Trump is! Or not. "propaganda on loud speakers ended for a time" I'm curious how you would know something like that? "It's not like I'm saying anything that's controversial or obscure." Yes, it is. "These are pretty much accepted by all save a few partisans." No, they are not.
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Post by averagejoe2021 on May 7, 2024 4:34:58 GMT
<nothing much worth repeating> You seem to believe you have made good arguments and I have not. I see it differently, that I have made good arguments and you have not. So much for discussion boards. {9} Trump while president: Moves United States embassy for Israel from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem. {10} Trump recently: "Israel is losing the PR war." Oh yeah, the right will be back when Trump is! Or not. "propaganda on loud speakers ended for a time" I'm curious how you would know something like that? "It's not like I'm saying anything that's controversial or obscure." Yes, it is. "These are pretty much accepted by all save a few partisans." No, they are not. Well, my arguments are objectively verifiable. Your tactic was simply denial. Simple as that. "No, they are not". Sure they are (the polls even reflect that). Now if evidence should come about to demonstrate the opposite....definitely would be worth considering at that time.
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Post by Olaf Plunket on May 7, 2024 4:46:24 GMT
... Now if evidence should come about to demonstrate the opposite....definitely would be worth considering at that time. ... What would you know about evidence? You couldn't answer the question how you would know "propaganda on loud speakers ended for a time"?
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