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Post by Colin Sibthorpe on Apr 19, 2019 0:05:05 GMT
I recently bought Season 16 on Amazon, the first time I've bought something outright for streaming (if that's the right word).
What a good show this was.
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Post by movieliker on Dec 27, 2022 18:27:59 GMT
The original show is one of the best shows ever on TV.
But it wasn't perfect. Lawyers cannot approach the witness, the jury box, or enter the well. They do constantly on Law & Order.
"Indifference", Season 1, Episode 9 was not one of their best. It was dramatic and entertaining. But intentionally vague for dramatic and entertainment reasons.
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Post by Flying Monkeys on Dec 27, 2022 23:46:30 GMT
The original show is one of the best shows ever on TV. But it wasn't perfect. Lawyers cannot approach the witness, the jury box, or enter the well. They do constantly on Law & Order. "Indifference", Season 1, Episode 9 was not one of their best. It was dramatic and entertaining. But intentionally vague for dramatic and entertainment reasons. You should start a youtube channel called "Reality Check" where you pick apart films and shows. I, for one, would find it highly useful. "Hey you know that bit in Friends where they get the same table every week in the coffee house? Yeah, well I happen to know that's totally unrealistic! Let me explain how...."
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Post by movieliker on Dec 27, 2022 23:55:45 GMT
The original show is one of the best shows ever on TV. But it wasn't perfect. Lawyers cannot approach the witness, the jury box, or enter the well. They do constantly on Law & Order. "Indifference", Season 1, Episode 9 was not one of their best. It was dramatic and entertaining. But intentionally vague for dramatic and entertainment reasons. You should start a youtube channel called "Reality Check" where you pick apart films and shows. I, for one, would find it highly useful. "Hey you know that bit in Friends where they get the same table every week in the coffee house? Yeah, well I happen to know that's totally unrealistic! Let me explain how...." There is already a show like that. "Everthing Wrong With . . . " cinemasins.com/Just search "everything wrong with . . . " and add the name of the movie or show.
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Post by Xeliou66 on Apr 2, 2023 1:54:20 GMT
Original L&O is my favorite show ever - I still watch the reruns of the first 20 seasons regularly. Such a great format and great characters.
I’m enjoying the revival of the show as well, the writing isn’t as strong as it was during L&O’s original run but it’s still a good show, I like the characters, Cosgrove/Shaw are a really good detective pairing and it’s great to see Jack McCoy again. Is anyone else watching the new L&O?
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Post by movieliker on Apr 2, 2023 9:23:13 GMT
Original L&O is my favorite show ever - I still watch the reruns of the first 20 seasons regularly. Such a great format and great characters. I’m enjoying the revival of the show as well, the writing isn’t as strong as it was during L&O’s original run but it’s still a good show, I like the characters, Cosgrove/Shaw are a really good detective pairing and it’s great to see Jack McCoy again. Is anyone else watching the new L&O? I'm not watching. But thanks to YouTube TV, I have all 26 seasons recorded. I started on season 1. I think I'm on season 11 right now.
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Post by Xeliou66 on Apr 2, 2023 14:06:56 GMT
Original L&O is my favorite show ever - I still watch the reruns of the first 20 seasons regularly. Such a great format and great characters. I’m enjoying the revival of the show as well, the writing isn’t as strong as it was during L&O’s original run but it’s still a good show, I like the characters, Cosgrove/Shaw are a really good detective pairing and it’s great to see Jack McCoy again. Is anyone else watching the new L&O? I'm not watching. But thanks to YouTube TV, I have all 26 seasons recorded. I started on season 1. I think I'm on season 11 right now. There are 22 seasons, not 26. Season 22 is the current season - the original show ran for 20 years and then it was revived for season 21 last year and renewed for season 22 this year.
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Post by Xeliou66 on Apr 11, 2023 1:50:19 GMT
Law and Order has been renewed for a 23rd season! Sometime next season the 500th episode will air.
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Post by movieliker on Aug 22, 2023 11:02:12 GMT
In my personal opinion, the show was great up until season 15, episode 13 where Serena Southerlyn (Elizabeth Rohm) gets fired.
It was still good after that. But it started going down.
I think the first 15 seasons were very educational, dramatic and entertaining. Then the audience started getting more educated on how the justice system works. They had already learned what the show could teach. And most importantly, they could see the holes in realism taken for dramatic affect.
Basically, the quality of writing went down.
(And I personally originally liked the show because it was "just the facts". Then they started getting more into the characters' personal lives. I lost interest. (Police chief Anita Van Buren's fight with cancer was super "soap opera" like. Detective Ed Green's girlfriend and gambling problems, etc.)
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Post by Xeliou66 on Aug 28, 2023 0:30:34 GMT
In my personal opinion, the show was great up until season 15, episode 13 where Serena Southerlyn (Elizabeth Rohm) gets fired. It was still good after that. But it started going down. I think the first 15 seasons were very educational, dramatic and entertaining. Then the audience started getting more educated on how the justice system works. They had already learned what the show could teach. And most importantly, they could see the holes in realism taken for dramatic affect. Basically, the quality of writing went down. (And I personally originally liked the show because it was "just the facts". Then they started getting more into the characters' personal lives. I lost interest. (Police chief Anita Van Buren's fight with cancer was super "soap opera" like. Detective Ed Green's girlfriend and gambling problems, etc.) I think L&O’s weakest point was season 17, “Detective Beauty Queen” sucked massively and the stories weren’t as good, seasons 15-17 had the weakest cases and weakest characters IMO. The show bounced back for the most part in its final couple of seasons, making Jack McCoy the DA was a good move and the cases got more interesting again. They gave Van Buren the cancer subplot in season 20 because the actress was leaving the show after the season, so they wanted to give her a feature storyline, other than that they didn’t have more personal stuff in the later seasons than the earlier ones - remember how season 8 had some personal crap for everyone, particularly the focus on Rey Curtis’ personal life? L&O was at its best in seasons 5-14 IMO, although I don’t care for season 8 as much due to the aforementioned soapy stuff. But I like the earliest seasons a lot (season 2 was particularly very strong) and the last couple of years as well. The revival has been interesting - it was uneven at the start but it was much improved in season 22 last year - Detective Shaw has been a strong addition and I enjoy his partnership with Frank Cosgrove, who became much more likable and interesting last year after being kind of a one note hardass at the start. The 2 prosecutors, Price and Maroun, are rather low key, but it’s a treat to see McCoy as DA again. The writing is very good for the detective work and less so for the legal work. The revival hasn’t been as good as the original but it’s still been enjoyable and entertaining, and it’s nice to have L&O introduced again to a new generation of fans.
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Post by movieliker on Sept 1, 2023 13:59:00 GMT
In my personal opinion, the show was great up until season 15, episode 13 where Serena Southerlyn (Elizabeth Rohm) gets fired. It was still good after that. But it started going down. I think the first 15 seasons were very educational, dramatic and entertaining. Then the audience started getting more educated on how the justice system works. They had already learned what the show could teach. And most importantly, they could see the holes in realism taken for dramatic affect. Basically, the quality of writing went down. (And I personally originally liked the show because it was "just the facts". Then they started getting more into the characters' personal lives. I lost interest. (Police chief Anita Van Buren's fight with cancer was super "soap opera" like. Detective Ed Green's girlfriend and gambling problems, etc.) I think L&O’s weakest point was season 17, “Detective Beauty Queen” sucked massively and the stories weren’t as good, seasons 15-17 had the weakest cases and weakest characters IMO. The show bounced back for the most part in its final couple of seasons, making Jack McCoy the DA was a good move and the cases got more interesting again. They gave Van Buren the cancer subplot in season 20 because the actress was leaving the show after the season, so they wanted to give her a feature storyline, other than that they didn’t have more personal stuff in the later seasons than the earlier ones - remember how season 8 had some personal crap for everyone, particularly the focus on Rey Curtis’ personal life? L&O was at its best in seasons 5-14 IMO, although I don’t care for season 8 as much due to the aforementioned soapy stuff. But I like the earliest seasons a lot (season 2 was particularly very strong) and the last couple of years as well. The revival has been interesting - it was uneven at the start but it was much improved in season 22 last year - Detective Shaw has been a strong addition and I enjoy his partnership with Frank Cosgrove, who became much more likable and interesting last year after being kind of a one note hardass at the start. The 2 prosecutors, Price and Maroun, are rather low key, but it’s a treat to see McCoy as DA again. The writing is very good for the detective work and less so for the legal work. The revival hasn’t been as good as the original but it’s still been enjoyable and entertaining, and it’s nice to have L&O introduced again to a new generation of fans. The show became obviously formulaic. - The lead prosecutor was an attack dog who wanted to prosecute everybody. - The assistant DA was a woman who had a different, more liberal outlook. Who often questioned the over tenacity of the lead prosecutor. - The judges were almost always making ridiculous pretrial rulings, that seemingly ruined the prosecutor's case. - And/or the police would make some stupid mistake that the judge or defense attorney would take advantage of. - Most annoyingly, it was always obvious the prosecutors NEVER prepared their witnesses, who were always getting caught off guard in court, by questions you knew the defense was going to ask.- Last but not least, it was too personalized. This is not the way big city prosecutors act. They just go through the motions, doing their jobs. Every case on this show the prosecutors took personally, the suspect was evil and threatening, the melodramatic music, the defense attorney was rude, insulting, offensive, etc. Stupid, dumb, unrealistic. I don't think Alana de la Garza's (Connie Rubirosa) acting was that great. Yeah, she's good looking. But her reactions were almost always the same. (Episode 10 season 20 was ridiculous. A business owner shoots three armed robbers who were beating his assistant. And Jack McCoy's office goes after the business owner, because further investigation shows he didn't shoot the robber - who was beating his assistant - first. I don't think city prosecutors have the time and money to be splitting hairs like this. And who cares anyway? The city was supporting the business owner. The DA works for the public. The business owner didn't break any law. It doesn't matter what his motive was.)
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Post by Xeliou66 on Sept 1, 2023 18:59:38 GMT
movielikerI agree about that season 20 episode you mentioned, it wasn’t very good. I don’t agree about the rest, I don’t think they made it too personalized, obviously they do some things for dramatic effect but I didn’t think every episode featured people taking things personally. I agree that the plot device of evidence being suppressed was overused and is still overused on the revival. I really like Connie Rubirosa, she’s one of my favorites of the second chair prosecutors. Much better than the previous 2, Serena Southerlyn and Alexandra Borgia. I am not a big fan of Mike Cutter, the lead prosecutor in the final seasons, he was too much of a rule breaker and was smug and pulled some cheap stunts - then again it was impossible to be as good of a prosecutor as Jack McCoy or Ben Stone. The show was always somewhat formulaic but that’s a lot of what makes it so good IMO - the formula of a murder happening, the detectives investigating, then the legal proceedings happening until their conclusion, with minimal personal drama, is very enjoyable and works really well. Yes you know what you’re getting, but it’s a really good format that works perfectly.
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Post by movieliker on Sept 2, 2023 2:28:29 GMT
movielikerI agree about that season 20 episode you mentioned, it wasn’t very good. I don’t agree about the rest, I don’t think they made it too personalized, obviously they do some things for dramatic effect but I didn’t think every episode featured people taking things personally. I agree that the plot device of evidence being suppressed was overused and is still overused on the revival. I really like Connie Rubirosa, she’s one of my favorites of the second chair prosecutors. Much better than the previous 2, Serena Southerlyn and Alexandra Borgia. I am not a big fan of Mike Cutter, the lead prosecutor in the final seasons, he was too much of a rule breaker and was smug and pulled some cheap stunts - then again it was impossible to be as good of a prosecutor as Jack McCoy or Ben Stone. The show was always somewhat formulaic but that’s a lot of what makes it so good IMO - the formula of a murder happening, the detectives investigating, then the legal proceedings happening until their conclusion, with minimal personal drama, is very enjoyable and works really well. Yes you know what you’re getting, but it’s a really good format that works perfectly. I wasn't talking about this formula. 👇👇👇 That is what I liked about the show. I was talking about this formula. 👇👇👇 ADA preferences I guess are subjective. Serena was one of my favorite ADAs. Borgia was after the show started going down. This has always been my biggest complaint about this show. Especially after it started going down. 👇👇👇 - Most annoyingly, it was always obvious the prosecutors NEVER prepared their witnesses, who were always getting caught off guard in court, by questions you knew the defense was going to ask.
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Post by Xeliou66 on Sept 2, 2023 2:32:29 GMT
movielikerYou are one of the first L&O fans I’ve met that likes Serena - she’s my least favorite prosecutor on the show, she was wooden and whiny IMO. Connie is arguably my favorite female lawyer on the show. Like you say, different preferences for different people. The show did have some cliches, and I agree with you about how the judge suppressing evidence due to some technicality has been overused a lot, I don’t really agree with you about the rest. Yes they sometimes had dramatic courtroom moments where it seemed like the witnesses weren’t prepared, but I give them a pass for that, it’s just for dramatic effect.
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Post by movieliker on Sept 2, 2023 2:40:31 GMT
movielikerYou are one of the first L&O fans I’ve met that likes Serena - she’s my least favorite prosecutor on the show, she was wooden and whiny IMO. Connie is arguably my favorite female lawyer on the show. Like you say, different preferences for different people. The show did have some cliches, and I agree with you about how the judge suppressing evidence due to some technicality has been overused a lot, I don’t really agree with you about the rest. Yes they sometimes had dramatic courtroom moments where it seemed like the witnesses weren’t prepared, but I give them a pass for that, it’s just for dramatic effect. Everybody is different. With different opinions and preferences. Serena was my second favorite ADA. After Carey Lowell (Jamie Ross). Connie Rubirosa is one of my least favorite.
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