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Post by abbey1227 on Nov 23, 2024 17:05:14 GMT
Donald Trump has previously said he wants to eliminate the Department of Education.
You people are hilarious.
You want to eliminate the beef industry........but none of your sacred cows must ever be touched. ![[goofball]](http://storage.proboards.com/6870873/images/sZVTCkd0EJeSSgLSQuLu.gif) |
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Post by abbey1227 on Nov 23, 2024 17:06:06 GMT
I assume actually eliminating the Department of Education would require an act of Congress. And the GOP does not have enough votes in the Senate to end an obvious filibuster. I guess the GOP could eliminate the filibuster but McConnell just said that wasn't going to happen so I don't know what is happening here. ![[straightface]](http://storage.proboards.com/6870873/images/X0xvEuKqIvpjcwikdJVq.gif) Makes me wonder what the future holds for my special-needs grandson.
I predict you will be very insulted by my commentary.
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Post by winterssuicide on Nov 23, 2024 17:16:44 GMT
The responsibility for tbe state of education today falls on parents just as much as it does teachers. People (in general) don’t read to their kids anymore. They don’t make their kids do their homework. They don’t respond to teacher emails and calls about their kids performance and/or behavior. Administrators don’t really help either when it comes to student behavior. If there is a behavior problem in school, it used to be sending a kid to the principals office took care of it. No longer. As far is math is concerned, when teachers went away from having kids learn simple math facts by memory so that simple calculations could be done in their head quickly as they got older, that is when math scores began to suffer. It’s more difficult to teach algebraic concepts when kids can do simple math quickly and rely on their calculators. If you have kids that think 5x0=5, that’s a problem. But I don’t think that is entirely teacher’s fault, because they don’t have control of the curriculum being taught. Damn. Agree with this whole post. I'm with you. We prepped the kids before they ever entered kindergarten with flash cards and tons of reading. Had them doing their multiplication tables and probably a few hundred sight words so the teachers weren't starting from scratch. Parental education and teacher education is a synergistic experience in this household. There is no device support for homework (only mom or dad support). There are rarely behavior issues, but when there are, the household response is to work on the kids (not blame the school). I want to ask you a difficult question, though. Difficult not only because we probably have innate difference of opinion, but also because we've discussed this in the past in a more incendiary fashion. You mentioned that administration isn't effective anymore at curbing bad behavior. As I said, I agree with your whole post and this part of it is no different. So are you willing to consider - at all - a return to a traditional administrative approach? What I remember from sixth grade (which seems like a good age to pinpoint for many reasons in this illustration) is that there wasn't a single boy (let alone girl) in my class who wasn't still afraid of an adult man swinging that paddle. So, yeah, back then, sending the kid to the office almost always course-corrected behavior. |
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Post by notoriousnobbi on Nov 23, 2024 17:19:03 GMT
The responsibility for tbe state of education today falls on parents just as much as it does teachers. People (in general) don’t read to their kids anymore. They don’t make their kids do their homework. They don’t respond to teacher emails and calls about their kids performance and/or behavior. Administrators don’t really help either when it comes to student behavior. If there is a behavior problem in school, it used to be sending a kid to the principals office took care of it. No longer. As far is math is concerned, when teachers went away from having kids learn simple math facts by memory so that simple calculations could be done in their head quickly as they got older, that is when math scores began to suffer. It’s more difficult to teach algebraic concepts when kids can do simple math quickly and rely on their calculators. If you have kids that think 5x0=5, that’s a problem. But I don’t think that is entirely teacher’s fault, because they don’t have control of the curriculum being taught. Without the tyranny of an elite establishment finally local math educators can define 5x0 being 5. They can also sanction any pocket calculator coming from Chyyyina claiming otherwise. Also any software doing so. Also finally no more red tape for dividing through Zero! This is now allowed bc then economy can grow better. "5x0 = 5" is free speech! Hurray! |
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Post by abbey1227 on Nov 23, 2024 17:30:53 GMT
The responsibility for tbe state of education today falls on parents just as much as it does teachers. People (in general) don’t read to their kids anymore. They don’t make their kids do their homework. They don’t respond to teacher emails and calls about their kids performance and/or behavior. Administrators don’t really help either when it comes to student behavior. If there is a behavior problem in school, it used to be sending a kid to the principals office took care of it. No longer. As far is math is concerned, when teachers went away from having kids learn simple math facts by memory so that simple calculations could be done in their head quickly as they got older, that is when math scores began to suffer. It’s more difficult to teach algebraic concepts when kids can do simple math quickly and rely on their calculators. If you have kids that think 5x0=5, that’s a problem. But I don’t think that is entirely teacher’s fault, because they don’t have control of the curriculum being taught. Damn. Agree with this whole post. I'm with you. We prepped the kids before they ever entered kindergarten with flash cards and tons of reading. Had them doing their multiplication tables and probably a few hundred sight words so the teachers weren't starting from scratch. Parental education and teacher education is a synergistic experience in this household. There is no device support for homework (only mom or dad support). There are rarely behavior issues, but when there are, the household response is to work on the kids (not blame the school). I want to ask you a difficult question, though. Difficult not only because we probably have innate difference of opinion, but also because we've discussed this in the past in a more incendiary fashion. You mentioned that administration isn't effective anymore at curbing bad behavior. As I said, I agree with your whole post and this part of it is no different. So are you willing to consider - at all - a return to a traditional administrative approach? What I remember from sixth grade (which seems like a good age to pinpoint for many reasons in this illustration) is that there wasn't a single boy (let alone girl) in my class who wasn't still afraid of an adult man swinging that paddle. So, yeah, back then, sending the kid to the office almost always course-corrected behavior.
Corporal punishment, or the fear of it aside.........what's also changed is allowing horribly behaved students to stay in the classroom. Toss in the Special Ed which costs and outrageous amount with very little ROI and it's easy to see why the US spends more, but gets less.
I hate to be the harsh one yet again, but the primary reason for public school is to turn out productive citizens. Once you turn it into a daycare and feelgood commissary, it has abandoned it's core purpose, imo.
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Post by San926f on Nov 23, 2024 23:17:18 GMT
Makes me wonder what the future holds for my special-needs grandson.
I predict you will be very insulted by my commentary.
It would depend on how much you'd be looking to insult me. I'm not unrealistic, but he is also only 21/2 right now. |
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Post by Lux on Nov 23, 2024 23:23:03 GMT
I assume actually eliminating the Department of Education would require an act of Congress. And the GOP does not have enough votes in the Senate to end an obvious filibuster. I guess the GOP could eliminate the filibuster but McConnell just said that wasn't going to happen so I don't know what is happening here. Makes me wonder what the future holds for my special-needs grandson. Who calls their grandson special-needs? |
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Post by abbey1227 on Nov 24, 2024 2:52:24 GMT
I predict you will be very insulted by my commentary.
It would depend on how much you'd be looking to insult me. I'm not unrealistic, but he is also only 21/2 right now.
Unless I very specifically target you..........then you really shouldn't take my opinions all that personal. I get it, it's your kin. You love them no matter what. If anything, I feel for how stressful it must be as a parent/grandparent to realize they may be someone that needs care for their entire life.
But from a numbers/financial viewpoint........it's become a very, very expensive racket overall. And like so many other areas, the Govt is the culprit for most of that, imo. They got into the charity business, so it's a feeding frenzy at the trough.
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