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Post by PaulsLaugh on Nov 16, 2024 4:45:02 GMT
Well- that makes him uniquely qualified to serve under a Trump administration. Knowing how grab pussy is all one needs to be in charge of 5,000 nuclear warheads.
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Post by PaulsLaugh on Nov 16, 2024 4:47:17 GMT
They don't vet. Everything's done half assed. Trump being half-assed would show far more competence than currently.
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Post by thorshairspray on Nov 16, 2024 9:40:50 GMT
And its fine to categorise "trans" anyway you see, fit, but the rest of the population isn't defined by them. That would rapidly become nonsensical. For example. I have blue eyes, thus I define all men without blues eyes as "normalis" and people with less common eye colours as "speciali" So now I am a Cis, Speciali male. But I'm also white, most humans are not, so I will define all non white humans as "humano" and white humans as "Europa" This now means that I am a Cis, speciali, Europa male and Denzel WAshington is a Cis, normalis, humano male. Do you see how stupid and pointless this is? The numbers in the UK in 2010 were roughly equal. Now, in young people it is about 70% girls. I don't care why trans people are over represented in sex work, it isn't relevant to the point made. The claim that trans women are more likley to be victim of sexual assault than women or girls is a misrepresentation of reality. In the same way that including male victims of prison rape in rape stats would make men more at risk than women. And no, it isn't a myth, literally all the studies ever done confirm this. The simple truth of this is that hormone influence behaviour and brain development and males and females do not carry the same levels, even high testosterone females do not approach males levels. The idea that we invented this to reinforce stereotypes is a nonsense that ignores the biological reality of what our species is and our evolutionary history. We are social mammals, specifically Great Apes. All the great apes show sex specific behaviour. All mammals show sex specific behaviour and not one person who argues in favour of social constructionism can explain why H.Sapien is the exception to this rule. Mate selection in humans is done by females. Infants humans are extremely vulnerable and pregnant women are also vulnerable and compromised in their ability to provide for themselves. Thus they require a competent male to protect and provide for them. This creates a sexual selective pressure on males for competence, assertiveness and aggression, since they have to compete with other males and must demonstrate those traits to females to be considered for selection. Thus after 250,000 or so years, we observe a greater tendency for aggression, technical competence and assertiveness in males than females, because no selective pressure existed on females to develop these traits. The problem is that this is viewed by left wing feminists as some kind of value judgement, because they fail to recognise what I said, that these things are descriptive, not prescriptive. I don't really get the position that you're not defined in opposition to trans people.
It's like disputing being defined by heterosexuality in contrast to homosexuality. Defining people as "normal" only goes as far as a statistical majority. So no, not only do I not see how pointless this is, I believe the exact opposite. I believe it very much has a point. Distinctions are important to research and consequently investments in services that people need. It affects policy and the law. My challenge to those who dispute this is write your own book(s); publish your own research.
Every study that's ever done confirms what? We're nowhere near the cusp of every study having been done. We don't know everything there is to know about people, nor are we ever likely to know. I don't know what you're talking about, to be frank, by saying females with high testosterone come nowhere near male levels. I don't know what position that argument supports or disputes, as I'm not arguing that males and females, are the same. No one would. That's untenable.
Your next sentence, however, speaks to what I'm saying, which is that our evolutionis in progress. Biological reality is still being discovered and, in some cases, innovated by mutations and epigenetic leaps in the gene pool. The samples through which generalizations about behaviour are what, studies that go back a couple of hundred years? Those won't hold water for long. Research relies on updates and modern scrutiny. It is science just as sure as our past is not our future.
Think about it. If you had to submit a study about cancer treatments, you wouldn't use peer-reviewed research from the 1890's as your sources. You need modern sources; modern studies; modern. Because of our brains? Gender is a concept invented by us. Anything in the animal kingdom that resembles gender is anthropomorphism. Animals don't perceive masculinity and femininity.
My other comment was transgender people in sex work may not be relevant to your comment, but it's certainly relevant to my rebuttal of your comment about the inherent danger of trans women. No study has corroborated links between trans women and violence or criminal behaviour.
Full disclosure: I'm not sure what to do with "mate selection in humans in done by females".
The definition of "heterosexual" isn't "not gay" Thats the point. "Cis" only exists to make an arbitrary distinction, as I just demonstrated. And no, we haven't one every study, obviously, but all the ones we have done show the same conclusion. At some point denying the conclusions is just denying reality. And what research do you think is going to conclude that Ape males and female are exactly the same in all aspects? We know they are not, so what point do you think you are making here? Do you think breaking new research will show we are not placental mammals whos survival depends no the mother infant bond? yes, gender is a social construct and all social constructs are attempts by humans to understand and control reality. As I said, what we deem "masculine" is simply that way because we have observed it. Our gendered behaviour and gender roles very closely mirror our nearest relatives, so on what basis are we concluding that in humans its socially constructed, but not in other animals? And no it isn't, since you brought up trans victims as a rebuttal in itself. Trans women are massively over represented as sex offenders in UK prison stats and the Swedish Study shows trans women retain male offending rates.
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Post by PaulsLaugh on Nov 16, 2024 10:45:33 GMT
I don't really get the position that you're not defined in opposition to trans people.
It's like disputing being defined by heterosexuality in contrast to homosexuality. Defining people as "normal" only goes as far as a statistical majority. So no, not only do I not see how pointless this is, I believe the exact opposite. I believe it very much has a point. Distinctions are important to research and consequently investments in services that people need. It affects policy and the law. My challenge to those who dispute this is write your own book(s); publish your own research.
Every study that's ever done confirms what? We're nowhere near the cusp of every study having been done. We don't know everything there is to know about people, nor are we ever likely to know. I don't know what you're talking about, to be frank, by saying females with high testosterone come nowhere near male levels. I don't know what position that argument supports or disputes, as I'm not arguing that males and females, are the same. No one would. That's untenable.
Your next sentence, however, speaks to what I'm saying, which is that our evolutionis in progress. Biological reality is still being discovered and, in some cases, innovated by mutations and epigenetic leaps in the gene pool. The samples through which generalizations about behaviour are what, studies that go back a couple of hundred years? Those won't hold water for long. Research relies on updates and modern scrutiny. It is science just as sure as our past is not our future.
Think about it. If you had to submit a study about cancer treatments, you wouldn't use peer-reviewed research from the 1890's as your sources. You need modern sources; modern studies; modern. Because of our brains? Gender is a concept invented by us. Anything in the animal kingdom that resembles gender is anthropomorphism. Animals don't perceive masculinity and femininity.
My other comment was transgender people in sex work may not be relevant to your comment, but it's certainly relevant to my rebuttal of your comment about the inherent danger of trans women. No study has corroborated links between trans women and violence or criminal behaviour.
Full disclosure: I'm not sure what to do with "mate selection in humans in done by females".
The definition of "heterosexual" isn't "not gay" Thats the point. "Cis" only exists to make an arbitrary distinction, as I just demonstrated. And no, we haven't one every study, obviously, but all the ones we have done show the same conclusion. At some point denying the conclusions is just denying reality. And what research do you think is going to conclude that Ape males and female are exactly the same in all aspects? We know they are not, so what point do you think you are making here? Do you think breaking new research will show we are not placental mammals whos survival depends no the mother infant bond? yes, gender is a social construct and all social constructs are attempts by humans to understand and control reality. As I said, what we deem "masculine" is simply that way because we have observed it. Our gendered behaviour and gender roles very closely mirror our nearest relatives, so on what basis are we concluding that in humans its socially constructed, but not in other animals? And no it isn't, since you brought up trans victims as a rebuttal in itself. Trans women are massively over represented as sex offenders in UK prison stats and the Swedish Study shows trans women retain male offending rates. If you want to put on a dress and call yourself a female, shouldn't that be your right as a grown adult living in a free nation?
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Post by cat on Nov 16, 2024 16:02:22 GMT
I don't really get the position that you're not defined in opposition to trans people.
It's like disputing being defined by heterosexuality in contrast to homosexuality. Defining people as "normal" only goes as far as a statistical majority. So no, not only do I not see how pointless this is, I believe the exact opposite. I believe it very much has a point. Distinctions are important to research and consequently investments in services that people need. It affects policy and the law. My challenge to those who dispute this is write your own book(s); publish your own research.
Every study that's ever done confirms what? We're nowhere near the cusp of every study having been done. We don't know everything there is to know about people, nor are we ever likely to know. I don't know what you're talking about, to be frank, by saying females with high testosterone come nowhere near male levels. I don't know what position that argument supports or disputes, as I'm not arguing that males and females, are the same. No one would. That's untenable.
Your next sentence, however, speaks to what I'm saying, which is that our evolutionis in progress. Biological reality is still being discovered and, in some cases, innovated by mutations and epigenetic leaps in the gene pool. The samples through which generalizations about behaviour are what, studies that go back a couple of hundred years? Those won't hold water for long. Research relies on updates and modern scrutiny. It is science just as sure as our past is not our future.
Think about it. If you had to submit a study about cancer treatments, you wouldn't use peer-reviewed research from the 1890's as your sources. You need modern sources; modern studies; modern. Because of our brains? Gender is a concept invented by us. Anything in the animal kingdom that resembles gender is anthropomorphism. Animals don't perceive masculinity and femininity.
My other comment was transgender people in sex work may not be relevant to your comment, but it's certainly relevant to my rebuttal of your comment about the inherent danger of trans women. No study has corroborated links between trans women and violence or criminal behaviour.
Full disclosure: I'm not sure what to do with "mate selection in humans in done by females".
The definition of "heterosexual" isn't "not gay" Thats the point. "Cis" only exists to make an arbitrary distinction, as I just demonstrated. And no, we haven't one every study, obviously, but all the ones we have done show the same conclusion. At some point denying the conclusions is just denying reality. And what research do you think is going to conclude that Ape males and female are exactly the same in all aspects? We know they are not, so what point do you think you are making here? Do you think breaking new research will show we are not placental mammals whos survival depends no the mother infant bond? yes, gender is a social construct and all social constructs are attempts by humans to understand and control reality. As I said, what we deem "masculine" is simply that way because we have observed it. Our gendered behaviour and gender roles very closely mirror our nearest relatives, so on what basis are we concluding that in humans its socially constructed, but not in other animals? And no it isn't, since you brought up trans victims as a rebuttal in itself. Trans women are massively over represented as sex offenders in UK prison stats and the Swedish Study shows trans women retain male offending rates. I think they're sensible distinctions. CIS/trans, gay/straight.
I don't think any of this risks infant/mother bonding per se. If there's no mother, or rather, woman, in the picture, then someone's gotta rise to the task. This is getting a way from gender as a construct, which you seem to agree with. I don't agree at all that our gendered behaviour mirrors that of animals, though. Were we to apply gendered behaviour to animals, then we are socially constructing them as gendered. Animals don't have gender roles.
I think the confusion is using sex and gender interchangeably. The species of each animal, mammals, do things that only they can. Female animals breastfeed their young because they have the biological parts for it. That's not a gender role. Only we have gender roles because we use them to impose behaviours and limits on each other.
I bring up that trans women are especially at risk of violence due to over representation in the sex trade. I'd have to see the study to make sense of the numbers, as most of the studies and material I've read is North American-based.
The elephant in the room, though, is how any of this applies to Rachel Levine. It's been a while, but her government position was the catalyst to all of this. I see nor have I heard evidence suggesting that her job performance was compromised, least of all due to mental health issues connected to being trans.
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Post by damngumby on Nov 16, 2024 16:52:40 GMT
Dems still running the same plays β¦
Letβs see β¦ The cityβs statement did not identify Hegseth as an alleged assailant, only that he was βinvolvedβ in the investigation β¦ and, it was fully investigated and no charges were filed.
They never learn.
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Post by thorshairspray on Nov 17, 2024 8:17:43 GMT
The definition of "heterosexual" isn't "not gay" Thats the point. "Cis" only exists to make an arbitrary distinction, as I just demonstrated. And no, we haven't one every study, obviously, but all the ones we have done show the same conclusion. At some point denying the conclusions is just denying reality. And what research do you think is going to conclude that Ape males and female are exactly the same in all aspects? We know they are not, so what point do you think you are making here? Do you think breaking new research will show we are not placental mammals whos survival depends no the mother infant bond? yes, gender is a social construct and all social constructs are attempts by humans to understand and control reality. As I said, what we deem "masculine" is simply that way because we have observed it. Our gendered behaviour and gender roles very closely mirror our nearest relatives, so on what basis are we concluding that in humans its socially constructed, but not in other animals? And no it isn't, since you brought up trans victims as a rebuttal in itself. Trans women are massively over represented as sex offenders in UK prison stats and the Swedish Study shows trans women retain male offending rates. If you want to put on a dress and call yourself a female, shouldn't that be your right as a grown adult living in a free nation? Yes. Did you have a point to make?
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Post by thorshairspray on Nov 17, 2024 8:32:52 GMT
The definition of "heterosexual" isn't "not gay" Thats the point. "Cis" only exists to make an arbitrary distinction, as I just demonstrated. And no, we haven't one every study, obviously, but all the ones we have done show the same conclusion. At some point denying the conclusions is just denying reality. And what research do you think is going to conclude that Ape males and female are exactly the same in all aspects? We know they are not, so what point do you think you are making here? Do you think breaking new research will show we are not placental mammals whos survival depends no the mother infant bond? yes, gender is a social construct and all social constructs are attempts by humans to understand and control reality. As I said, what we deem "masculine" is simply that way because we have observed it. Our gendered behaviour and gender roles very closely mirror our nearest relatives, so on what basis are we concluding that in humans its socially constructed, but not in other animals? And no it isn't, since you brought up trans victims as a rebuttal in itself. Trans women are massively over represented as sex offenders in UK prison stats and the Swedish Study shows trans women retain male offending rates. I think they're sensible distinctions. CIS/trans, gay/straight.
I don't think any of this risks infant/mother bonding per se. If there's no mother, or rather, woman, in the picture, then someone's gotta rise to the task. This is getting a way from gender as a construct, which you seem to agree with. I don't agree at all that our gendered behaviour mirrors that of animals, though. Were we to apply gendered behaviour to animals, then we are socially constructing them as gendered. Animals don't have gender roles.
I think the confusion is using sex and gender interchangeably. The species of each animal, mammals, do things that only they can. Female animals breastfeed their young because they have the biological parts for it. That's not a gender role. Only we have gender roles because we use them to impose behaviours and limits on each other.
I bring up that trans women are especially at risk of violence due to over representation in the sex trade. I'd have to see the study to make sense of the numbers, as most of the studies and material I've read is North American-based.
The elephant in the room, though, is how any of this applies to Rachel Levine. It's been a while, but her government position was the catalyst to all of this. I see nor have I heard evidence suggesting that her job performance was compromised, least of all due to mental health issues connected to being trans.
And we disagree, because by consenting to hat label, I am accepting the premise of gender ideology. I will not do that. Fact, as animals, human males cannot feed infants. And you keep swapping sex with gender. All sexually reproducing animals, including humans, display sex specific behaviour. Us humans refer to this in ourselves as "gender" and here we get to the tricky leftist language. It is an equivocation fallacy here. "gender" in this context is a euphemism for sex. It is not the human concept of "Gender" Some species of birds dance and display to attract a mate. Only the male does this. This is a sex specific behaviour. This is not behaviour determined by the Avian Patriarchy, nor the result of any kind of conscious choice. Breast feeding is sex specific behaviour. Thus feeding infant mammals is a sex role. We don't impose these "gender roles" we observe sex roles and incorporate that into our understanding of the World. All "Gender"o r "Gender roles" are are societal expressions of biological sex and the issue that people have is assuming that these are prescriptive in humans, when they are not. And you didn't actually bring up sexual violence against trans people due to their sex work, you brought that up as a refutation of the dangers of trans women to actual women.
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Post by PaulsLaugh on Nov 17, 2024 11:10:24 GMT
Dems still running the same plays β¦ Letβs see β¦ The cityβs statement did not identify Hegseth as an alleged assailant, only that he was βinvolvedβ in the investigation β¦ and, it was fully investigated and no charges were filed. They never learn. Of course, Right Wing Christian Republicans are never guilty of any wrong doing or sinful behavior.
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Post by PaulsLaugh on Nov 17, 2024 11:12:24 GMT
If you want to put on a dress and call yourself a female, shouldn't that be your right as a grown adult living in a free nation? Yes. Did you have a point to make? Only about your God-given right to express your gender as a straight, white man. You want to take rights away from people and that's a bad thing.
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Post by Deplorable Fascist Garbage on Nov 17, 2024 11:21:21 GMT
Yes. Did you have a point to make? Only about your God-given right to express your gender as a straight, white man. You want to take rights away from people and that's a bad thing. the Box-O-Wine is empty you old bag of poop, go to bed
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Post by PaulsLaugh on Nov 17, 2024 11:24:22 GMT
Only about your God-given right to express your gender as a straight, white man. You want to take rights away from people and that's a bad thing. the Box-O-Wine is empty you old bag of poop, go to bed Go on fishing trip so you can fuck your good buddy.
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Post by Deplorable Fascist Garbage on Nov 17, 2024 11:26:40 GMT
the Box-O-Wine is empty you old bag of poop, go to bed Go on fishing trip so you can fuck your good buddy. at this point you're just projecting, Trump won, it wasn't even close, it was a good old-fashioned ass kicking
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Post by damngumby on Nov 17, 2024 13:38:19 GMT
Dems still running the same plays β¦ Letβs see β¦ The cityβs statement did not identify Hegseth as an alleged assailant, only that he was βinvolvedβ in the investigation β¦ and, it was fully investigated and no charges were filed. They never learn. Of course, Right Wing Christian Republicans are never guilty of any wrong doing or sinful behavior. They. Never. Learn.
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Post by thorshairspray on Nov 17, 2024 14:40:36 GMT
Yes. Did you have a point to make? Only about your God-given right to express your gender as a straight, white man. You want to take rights away from people and that's a bad thing. Every time. Where have I ever said I want to remove an adults right to express themselves? Don't you ever get tired of fighting strawmen? And can you EVER not bring race into something? Me being white has literally nothing to do with my "gender"
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