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Post by movieliker on Feb 17, 2018 22:05:57 GMT
In my experience, most people who advocate for gun control have never owned a gun, fired a gun, or taken a gun safety class. In my opinion, these people are least qualified to tell gun owners what they should, or should not do, with their guns.
It is the same as someone seeing a car accident and saying, "I have never had a car, driven a car, or taken a safe driving class. But I think we should ban all cars."
I know gun control and a gun ban are two different things. But, let's be honest, most of these gun control advocates would prefer a gun ban. They just realize that is an impossiblility. So they have settled for the next best thing --- banning some guns first. And maybe later they can come back and ban some more.
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Post by slowcomingwarbird on Feb 17, 2018 23:37:20 GMT
Well we do have to keep guns out of the hands of terrorists, both the islamic and home grown varieties. So far the United States doesn't have a very good track record with preventing terrorist attacks like the one on Valentines Day at that Florida school.
Donald Trump needs to take the threat of terrorist attacks on American soil way more seriously.
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Post by ayatollah on Feb 17, 2018 23:51:28 GMT
Well we do have to keep guns out of the hands of terrorists, both the islamic and home grown varieties. So far the United States doesn't have a very good track record with preventing terrorist attacks like the one on Valentines Day at that Florida school. Donald Trump needs to take the threat of terrorist attacks on American soil way more seriously. That wasn't a terrorist attack.
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Post by movieliker on Feb 17, 2018 23:53:51 GMT
Well we do have to keep guns out of the hands of terrorists, both the islamic and home grown varieties. So far the United States doesn't have a very good track record with preventing terrorist attacks like the one on Valentines Day at that Florida school. Donald Trump needs to take the threat of terrorist attacks on American soil way more seriously. I agree, it wouldn't hurt if people and agencies were more diligent in monitoring problem people like Mr. Cruz in Florida. But, if responsible teachers had guns and gun safety training, Mr. Cruz would have caused less damage. I personally know teachers who own guns, and have gun safety training and self-defense training. Those teachers are better able to protect students than all these ninnies screaming for gun control and a policeman in every classroom.
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Post by slowcomingwarbird on Feb 18, 2018 0:04:31 GMT
Well we do have to keep guns out of the hands of terrorists, both the islamic and home grown varieties. So far the United States doesn't have a very good track record with preventing terrorist attacks like the one on Valentines Day at that Florida school. Donald Trump needs to take the threat of terrorist attacks on American soil way more seriously. That wasn't a terrorist attack. Nicholas Jacob Cruz was affiliated with a terrorist organization known as "Republic of Florida". That makes Nicholas Jacob Cruz a terrorist, especially since the shooting was to intimidate the public for political gain. As defined in the current definition of a terrorist attack. www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43071710It was yet another terrorist attack in Florida that could have been prevented.
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Post by ayatollah on Feb 18, 2018 0:10:12 GMT
That wasn't a terrorist attack. Nicholas Jacob Cruz was affiliated with a terrorist organization known as "Republic of Florida". That makes Nicholas Jacob Cruz a terrorist, especially since the shooting was to intimidate the public for political gain. As defined in the current definition of a terrorist attack. www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43071710It was yet another terrorist attack in Florida that could have been prevented. www.tallahassee.com/story/news/2018/02/15/florida-school-shooting-suspect-nikolas-cruz-member-white-nationalist-militia-tallahassee-leader-say/341751002/When I heard the news I thought "That's weird, why would a Hispanic kid kill a bunch of white kids for white nationalism?" As it turns out, there are no connections between the murderer and this Republic of Florida group, even though it has been widely erroneously reported by mainstream media in their zeal to make whites who don't want to have their countries overrun by immigrants into terrorists.
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Post by movieliker on Feb 18, 2018 0:13:55 GMT
That wasn't a terrorist attack. Nicholas Jacob Cruz was affiliated with a terrorist organization known as "Republic of Florida". That makes Nicholas Jacob Cruz a terrorist, especially since the shooting was to intimidate the public for political gain. As defined in the current definition of a terrorist attack. www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43071710It was yet another terrorist attack in Florida that could have been prevented. Those white militia groups even said they were not affiliated with Cruz. And they didn't condone what he did. Why would a white militia want to kill white kids at a mostly white school?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2018 5:34:22 GMT
Well we do have to keep guns out of the hands of terrorists, both the islamic and home grown varieties. So far the United States doesn't have a very good track record with preventing terrorist attacks like the one on Valentines Day at that Florida school. Donald Trump needs to take the threat of terrorist attacks on American soil way more seriously. That wasn't a terrorist attack. Agreed! But you can bet that some think tank funded by the left doing a data study is going to classify and report the Florida school shooting as terrorism, when at the very same time they classify the DC sniper attacks in 2002 as only a domestic dispute between a husband and wife. I'm serious, they really did classify the DC sniper (John Allen Muhammad) that way even though he was convicted of terrorism charges.
I followed the trail on one of these data studies a couple of years ago, actually got a copy of the source data and found this to be what they had done in categorizing the attack. You can be sure that some college prof used the study to lecture her students. I know that news outlets used it in such headlines as "White American men are a bigger domestic terrorist threat.." or "Far Right Extremists Are Bigger Threat....". DO NOT believe these studies unless you have seen the source data and the full report. All it takes is a misclassification of data to get the results they want. The MSM will proceed to write lengthy articles or op-ed pieces quoting the data study, but the data study is deeply flawed. It's not science when it's biased. People are being fooled by this all f'ing time! This is one of my areas of expertise and the dishonesty I see is staggering.
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Post by movieliker on Feb 18, 2018 5:41:26 GMT
That wasn't a terrorist attack. Nicholas Jacob Cruz was affiliated with a terrorist organization known as "Republic of Florida". That makes Nicholas Jacob Cruz a terrorist, especially since the shooting was to intimidate the public for political gain. As defined in the current definition of a terrorist attack. www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43071710It was yet another terrorist attack in Florida that could have been prevented. What political gain was Cruz trying to intimidate for? He did what he did because he was angry, immature and irresponsible (he blamed others for his problems). No desired political gain there.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2018 6:44:41 GMT
That wasn't a terrorist attack. Agreed! But you can bet that some think tank funded by the left doing a data study is going to classify and report the Florida school shooting as terrorism, when at the very same time they classify the DC sniper attacks in 2002 as only a domestic dispute between a husband and wife. I'm serious, they really did classify the DC sniper (John Allen Muhammad) that way even though he was convicted of terrorism charges.
I followed the trail on one of these data studies a couple of years ago, actually got a copy of the source data and found this to be what they had done in categorizing the attack. You can be sure that some college prof used the study to lecture her students. I know that news outlets used it in such headlines as "White American men are a bigger domestic terrorist threat.." or "Far Right Extremists Are Bigger Threat....". DO NOT believe these studies unless you have seen the source data and the full report. All it takes is a misclassification of data to get the results they want. The MSM will proceed to write lengthy articles or op-ed pieces quoting the data study, but the data study is deeply flawed. It's not science when it's biased. People are being fooled by this all f'ing time! This is one of my areas of expertise and the dishonesty I see is staggering.
And occasionally, you find reporting on a data study that appears open and transparent.
Mass Shootings Mother Jones Full Data
and this link does provide direct access to source data and explanations about the data used. That's good right? Looks impressive..
..but there are omissions, in this case for example, again the DC sniper shooting, which killed 17 people randomly (which should meet their criteria of indiscriminate killing), was carried out by 2 shooters which they allow for in some cases (why not all? reason not provided) and would be classified as a spree killing (which they also allow for in some cases, why not all?). The big problem for this study however is that in the DC sniper shootings, the weapons were obtained illegally, which is data that doesn't support their premise that legal gun ownership kills more than illegal gun ownership (they have a pretty graph that appears to shows that). They want a result that shows we need more gun control on legal guns. Those 17 lives would have really closed the gap in their reporting and made that graph not so favorable to the result they wanted. So it's not just misclassification of data, it is missing data as well, that THEY discount for reasons of their own invention. Again. Flawed data study. Dishonest to achieve the result they want. The reason they don't include the DC sniper shooting? Because other data studies (flawed ones) have already misclassified the attack as a domestic dispute.
They are fooling you with this stuff every day.
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Post by Flying Monkeys on Feb 18, 2018 11:19:40 GMT
You are right.
I have never had gonorrhoea so I am in no position to say we should get rid of it.
How dare I look at the effects of gonorrhoea in picture form and conclude that I am allowed an opinion about it.
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Post by scienceisgod on Feb 18, 2018 11:24:40 GMT
You are right. I have never had gonorrhoea so I am in no position to say we should get rid of it. How dare I look at the effects of gonorrhoea in picture form and conclude that I am allowed an opinion about it. Wait until some medical doctor intentionally infects some woman with gonorrhea because she identifies as trans-gonorrheaic.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2018 17:04:49 GMT
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Post by movieliker on Feb 18, 2018 18:04:09 GMT
I agree Gun Control is a waste of time. And it is barking up the wrong tree. There already are metal detectors in certain schools. Some schools should have them. But putting them in all schools is unnecessary and too expensive. Armed guards in every school is unnecessary and too expensive. The best way - the most effective and efficient way to prevent school shootings is to train teachers and school administrators with self-defense classes and gun safety classes. Good gun safety classes not only teach their students how to use a gun safely. But how to store a gun so kids don't find them, students can't get them, they don't get stolen, and they don't go off accidentally. Properly trained teachers and administrators would always be there. Properly trained teachers and administrators could respond more quickly to an attack than having to call police and wait for them to get there.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2018 20:01:29 GMT
I agree Gun Control is a waste of time. And it is barking up the wrong tree. There already are metal detectors in certain schools. Some schools should have them. But putting them in all schools is unnecessary and too expensive. Armed guards in every school is unnecessary and too expensive. The best way - the most effective and efficient way to prevent school shootings is to train teachers and school administrators with self-defense classes and gun safety classes. Good gun safety classes not only teach their students how to use a gun safely. But how to store a gun so kids don't find them, students can't get them, they don't get stolen, and they don't go off accidentally. Properly trained teachers and administrators would always be there. Properly trained teachers and administrators could respond more quickly to an attack than having to call police and wait for them to get there. Our children are important and I do like common sense solutions to problems like this. I'm not a guy who is often in favor of taxes, but in today's climate I think that most school systems could easily get "school safety" levies passed to increase security (appropriate to the types of techniques they want to employ). Of course, the lower income areas may not have the same level of success on tax measures and I don't want to leave them out, but am I wrong to say that it appears as if these school shootings tend to occur in affluent areas? People with the mental state capable of carrying out these acts seem to be the product of affluence more than poverty. Still, I'm sure that schools in all economic areas can do things.
Back when I was in 6th grade, I was able to take a gun/hunter safety course at camp, the one we went on for school! To this day, I have the patch I earned and it really was a beginning to an informed respect I've had toward firearms every since. So I like the idea, whether it's for students, teachers or administrators. There are common sense solutions to protect against these attacks, but you also need to use common sense tactics and procedures to identify the ones who are on the road to committing these violent acts. The root problem is social one.
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