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Post by Top Bloke on Jul 13, 2019 19:55:22 GMT
But Jesus whipped money traders. Muhammad was a dodgy salesman. He’d buy low and sell high. Kinda the same thing. Jesus would have kicked his ass if Mo’s caravan of carpets rocked up.
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Post by Flying Monkeys on Jul 14, 2019 9:41:43 GMT
In my view, one has to be mentally ill to buy into a religion, so this comes as no surprise.
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Post by Hnefahogg on Jul 25, 2019 13:51:23 GMT
Isn't Jesus according to Islamic theology technically a liar if he said in all the Gospels that he would be killed and crucified, and yet wasn't? What does scripture say about a prophet who lies? See Dt. 18:22. Then what is he doing in the Koran?
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Post by yggdrasil on Jul 26, 2019 10:00:06 GMT
Islam called him a "prophet of the book" if I remember correctly. Karen Armstrong's book on Muhammad is very good should anyone be interested in the truth behind the hype/hate of the actual religion.
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Post by Flying Monkeys on Jul 27, 2019 16:36:37 GMT
Karen Armstrong's book on Muhammad is very good should anyone be interested in the truth behind the hype/hate of the actual religion. Why would anyone get their opinion from someone else's opinion when one can read the source material itself? |
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Post by yggdrasil on Jul 27, 2019 17:22:58 GMT
Karen Armstrong's book on Muhammad is very good should anyone be interested in the truth behind the hype/hate of the actual religion. Why would anyone get their opinion from someone else's opinion when one can read the source material itself? Because it's a biography of the man not the book which like all religious tracts are hugely open to misinterpretation whether purposely or not. Armstrong is an ex Catholic nun and considered one of the world's eminent religious scholars. It really is rather fascinating and shows the difference in available evidence that the 600 years difference between Christ and Muhammad made. I am a complete atheist but find the psychological mindset that comes with faith to be fascinating, Religion as an organised entity has been responsible for so much death and horror it's interesting to see why people feel able to relate to it still. I love the Gnostic texts myself and especially like "Thunder: Perfect Mind" a gnostic poem found among the Nag Hammadi scrolls which is written from the viewpoint of a female deity. Check it out, it's rather beautiful |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2019 17:43:44 GMT
Why would anyone get their opinion from someone else's opinion when one can read the source material itself? Because it's a biography of the man not the book which like all religious tracts are hugely open to misinterpretation whether purposely or not. Armstrong is an ex Catholic nun and considered one of the world's eminent religious scholars. It really is rather fascinating and shows the difference in available evidence that the 600 years difference between Christ and Muhammad made. I am a complete atheist but find the psychological mindset that comes with faith to be fascinating, Religion as an organised entity has been responsible for so much death and horror it's interesting to see why people feel able to relate to it still. I love the Gnostic texts myself and especially like "Thunder: Perfect Mind" a gnostic poem found among the Nag Hammadi scrolls which is written from the viewpoint of a female deity. Check it out, it's rather beautiful And where did they get their information for a biography? His many Guardian interviews? Surely, from the book? |
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Post by yggdrasil on Jul 27, 2019 18:54:08 GMT
Because it's a biography of the man not the book which like all religious tracts are hugely open to misinterpretation whether purposely or not. Armstrong is an ex Catholic nun and considered one of the world's eminent religious scholars. It really is rather fascinating and shows the difference in available evidence that the 600 years difference between Christ and Muhammad made. I am a complete atheist but find the psychological mindset that comes with faith to be fascinating, Religion as an organised entity has been responsible for so much death and horror it's interesting to see why people feel able to relate to it still. I love the Gnostic texts myself and especially like "Thunder: Perfect Mind" a gnostic poem found among the Nag Hammadi scrolls which is written from the viewpoint of a female deity. Check it out, it's rather beautiful And where did they get their information for a biography? His many Guardian interviews? Surely, from the book? The Quran is a source as are the Sira and Hadith, but there are also non Muslim sources from Hebrew, greek, and Christian as well as other groups. It's still sketchy, but the 600 years between the two religions does make a difference with regard to religious scholarship. That said, we may well have had better information on the character of the "Christ figure" and whether he was a composite if the Vatican would ever open their library to scholars but there is no chance of that as it would quite probably damage the faith. |
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Post by Flying Monkeys on Jul 27, 2019 19:49:23 GMT
That said, we may well have had better information on the character of the "Christ figure" and whether he was a composite if the Vatican would ever open their library to scholars but there is no chance of that as it would quite probably damage the faith. The one theory I can believe about Jesus: It is possible to trace his lineage back to King David, so it is reasonable to assume he felt he had a claim to the throne of Israel, which went down a different line after David. He was therefore a political agitator who was continually trying to undermine Herod and was campaigning to be installed as king. When Jesus had created a significant movement, with his 12 disciples being his cabinet, i.e. PR managers to the regions, Herod became fed up with this and asked his Roman friends to deal with him. So they crucified him. Hence, the inscription INRI on the cross. Most say this stands for 'Iaesus Nazarenus Rex Iudaeorum' - "Jesus of Nazareth, King of the Jews". However, I saw a painting in Spain of the scene which posited that INRI was 'Inuit Natutorum Rex Iudaeorum' - if you are a scholar of Latin, you will know that means "He said he was born King of the Jews". This makes a lot more sense - he was crucified for trying to usurp the throne, for claiming to be king, and the plaque is a warning to others that if they try to usurp Herod, they will be punished similarly. |
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Post by yggdrasil on Jul 27, 2019 20:11:46 GMT
That said, we may well have had better information on the character of the "Christ figure" and whether he was a composite if the Vatican would ever open their library to scholars but there is no chance of that as it would quite probably damage the faith. The one theory I can believe about Jesus: It is possible to trace his lineage back to King David, so it is reasonable to assume he felt he had a claim to the throne of Israel, which went down a different line after David. He was therefore a political agitator who was continually trying to undermine Herod and was campaigning to be installed as king. When Jesus had created a significant movement, with his 12 disciples being his cabinet, i.e. PR managers to the regions, Herod became fed up with this and asked his Roman friends to deal with him. So they crucified him. Hence, the inscription INRI on the cross. Most say this stands for 'Iaesus Nazarenus Rex Iudaeorum' - "Jesus of Nazareth, King of the Jews". However, I saw a painting in Spain of the scene which posited that INRI was 'Inuit Natutorum Rex Iudaeorum' - if you are a scholar of Latin, you will know that means "He said he was born King of the Jews". This makes a lot more sense - he was crucified for trying to usurp the throne, for claiming to be king, and the plaque is a warning to others that if they try to usurp Herod, they will be punished similarly. Indeed, it's considered likely that if he existed his family would likely be "Zealots" ( where the word comes from) who were political agitators. Even Christ just means "king" . It is also likely though that as he is also called "Rabbi" at times in the Bible that he would have quite extensive religious training and be a scholar of the Old Testament. With that knowledge it's possible that he was purposely fulfilling the role of "saviour" to spark a rebellion as a martyr. |
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Post by Flying Monkeys on Jul 27, 2019 20:28:58 GMT
Indeed, it's considered likely that if he existed his family would likely be "Zealots" ( where the word comes from) who were political agitators. Even Christ just means "king" . It is also likely though that as he is also called "Rabbi" at times in the Bible that he would have quite extensive religious training and be a scholar of the Old Testament. With that knowledge it's possible that he was purposely fulfilling the role of "saviour" to spark a rebellion as a martyr. The catholic church fervently wants to promote the first supposedness of the inscription (that he was King of the Jews) because, if the other version is true, their whole bullshit religion falls apart. Funny, isn't it, that such a significant factor in the lives of about 1 billion people is determined by a person carving a plaque who couldn't be bothered to spell it out in full? This bloke did a fast job because he wanted to fuck off for a cup of tea, and 1 billion people's lives are hugely affected. Wow. |
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Post by Top Bloke on Sept 27, 2020 14:22:16 GMT
In my view, one has to be mentally ill to buy into a religion, so this comes as no surprise. You don’t eat meat. You could put some Vegemite on your face and go to India and become a Hindu. |
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Post by Flying Monkeys on Sept 27, 2020 16:31:47 GMT
In my view, one has to be mentally ill to buy into a religion, so this comes as no surprise. You don’t eat meat. You could put some Vegemite on your face and go to India and become a Hindu. Fish and steak are meat, dumbass. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2020 22:56:37 GMT
Islam also considers Mohammed a prophet. And I have said it before, there is a strain in Islam that tells Muslims to respect Jews and Christians and that is because they believe in the same God. Since Christianity advocates the one God, it also advocates the God of Islam, Allah.
So, yes, looking at it this way, Jesus is also a prophet of Islam.
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Post by Hnefahogg on May 3, 2021 7:26:26 GMT
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