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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2019 15:23:18 GMT
The idea that you can think a seven-year-old can even know what gender is let alone make the decision that they're the wrong gender is moronic.
Thirty years from now when there's a minefield of problems and suicides and regrets about this politically pushed fad, you will all be complicit.
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Post by Flying Monkeys on Oct 25, 2019 15:27:48 GMT
What do you think should happen here?
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Post by Flying Monkeys on Oct 25, 2019 18:53:21 GMT
Not got the brains to answer?
What do you think should happen here?
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Post by Harold of Whoa on Oct 26, 2019 1:36:46 GMT
Not got the brains to answer? What do you think should happen here? What needs to happen in the broadest sense is that the medical community - actually, fuck that "community" shit, I am exhausted with the buzz phrases - doctors, fucking doctors - need to establish medical guidelines based on science and ethics for gender reassignment medical procedures...and that is all. Mommies can eat a bag of dicks, daddies can eat a bag of dicks, rat-fuck lefty judges can eat fifty bags of dicks, rainbow jihadists and pronoun police and Twitter SJWs can all eat dicks and STFU about it. Any sort of puberty intervention or hormone treatment or surgery of a minor should require unanimous consent of a 3 physician panel, none of whom are allowed to give the necessary treatments, and all of whom, along with the treating physician, should maintain malpractice liability for the life of the patient. The End. |
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Post by scienceisgod on Oct 26, 2019 5:02:39 GMT
As I maintain, this needs to be reviewed on a case by case deal. I haven't familiarized myself with this individual child. I still feel in legitimate cases, (and that is the key), the child be given the healthy advantage, and forcing them to go through puberty would be cruel IF the child is authentically a trans-person. I completely agree with you that if a kid wants to "BE" a cartoon character in particular, that is not the same thing as being trans. That is playing make-believe and theatricality. Being able to differentiate is vital and not done at 7 years old. If authentic, and the child feels this way before puberty, that's when this needs to be addressed. But that child and both parents should be in therapy for all these years and closely monitored. This isn't done on a whim just cuz reasons and stuff. IF these are the actions of a vindictive and manipulative woman using the child as a pawn, she needs to be in prison for child abuse and child endangerment. I don't think some people CAN see it on a case by case basis as they actually do not think it is even possible to be transgender. They oppose the very concept and this oozes out beneath every comment you read. I personally agree with you, decisions need to be very carefully made in liaison with experts in the field taking many many factors into account. All too often you read comments by people who refer to these folk as "freaks" and other playground baiting style insults which tells you a lot more about them than it does the target of their spite. Experts are the ones who made this decision. Every psychiatrist who saw this child was eager to castrate him. The father has a video of the child saying "Mommy tells me I'm a girl". The father is not an expert but is infinitely more trustworthy because he has a biological stake in doing what's best for his child rather than a financial stake in doing what is best for the pharmaceutical companies. Let's say the father is a "knuckle-dagger" who denies transgenderism even exists. I wonder what other bad beliefs he has. Fortunately the psychiatrists get to raise their own children, in their own sick twisted manner. But they don't get to use other people's kids in their science experiments. Experts should be distrusted as a matter of principle. Expertise is what makes them dangerous. It's a logical fallacy called "appeal to authority". They occupy positions of power and have conflicts of interest. You know the saying if all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail. Input needs to be sought from people outside the field, people who aren't going to pretend that Big Pharma's new lifelong customer is ever going to be an actual girl. |
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Post by yggdrasil on Oct 26, 2019 8:41:47 GMT
"the psychiatrists get to raise their own children, in their own sick twisted manner."
"Experts should be distrusted as a matter of principle."
"Fuck what "experts in the field" say"
And they say that right wing America is anti-science.
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Post by Lilith on Oct 26, 2019 18:31:39 GMT
As I maintain, this needs to be reviewed on a case by case deal. I haven't familiarized myself with this individual child. I still feel in legitimate cases, (and that is the key), the child be given the healthy advantage, and forcing them to go through puberty would be cruel IF the child is authentically a trans-person. I completely agree with you that if a kid wants to "BE" a cartoon character in particular, that is not the same thing as being trans. That is playing make-believe and theatricality. Being able to differentiate is vital and not done at 7 years old. If authentic, and the child feels this way before puberty, that's when this needs to be addressed. But that child and both parents should be in therapy for all these years and closely monitored. This isn't done on a whim just cuz reasons and stuff. IF these are the actions of a vindictive and manipulative woman using the child as a pawn, she needs to be in prison for child abuse and child endangerment. "As I maintain, this needs to be reviewed on a case by case deal." No it doesn't. Not in any sane society.
If an adult wants to transgender they can pay for the surgery when they are an adult. Transgendering a child is sick and evil. No exceptions. I can see you're well-educated in human sexuality then. /s These types of bullying tactics contribute to trans kids killing themselves because they are being invalidated. No child, no person, should EVER be FORCED to transition "against their will." EVER! I never said that. This is how rumours start and how rumours get perpetuated. Forcing your belief system onto others whose lives you have no involvement in is the very definition of the leftist loony behaviour. I understand that many people still are uneducated about the validity of transgenderism, and lash out with vicious attacks and judgments. Not that long ago, in my own lifetime, being gay was an abomination, and something "no sane society" would ever condone, and kids were kidnapped and sent to Jesus Camps for conversion therapy, or surgical intervention was done. Familiarize yourself with how many ended up in asylums because as we all know, "no sane society" has gay individuals because that's an aberration on one hand, or a sin against Christ if that's your private belief. As a parent, your JOB is to take the best care of your child and provide for them. If your child had something wrong with them, would you tell them to man up and wait until they're 18 to deal with it? Sadly, so many people don't understand transgenderism and would rather force these people to suffer unduly when there's no need to. It sounds like you have zero experience in this area and are the last person who could weigh in with any sort of viewpoint. If you are repulsed by it, disregard it, don't believe in it, invalidate it, then your opinion is irrelevant. I would refuse to ever FORCE a child to even entertain anything regarding transition at 7 years old. (That post about "being forced against his will" is not what other info is showing). A parent who pays attention to their kid and is involved in their life, knows the difference between watching a child growing up who is trans, and one who is playing dress-up and make-believe. At 7, there are many years of both history, and moving forward of watching that child left to go before anything can be determined for sure. It's child abuse to force a trans child to endure puberty if their situation is authentic. It's evil and harmful and wrong to deny giving your child the best start in life that you can, and help them to not end up a suicide statistic.
And I do not buy into allowing manipulation and "society" to determine my child's well-being and safety based on being trendy. IF there is manipulation going on, the mother needs to be charged with child endangerment and child abuse.
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Post by Lilith on Oct 26, 2019 18:53:36 GMT
Speaking only for myself, I am not saying 7 year old children must begin transitioning if they think they're a different gender. I AM saying, with conviction, that if you know your child well enough, you know the difference between authenticity year after year after year, and theatrics.
If one doesn't even believe in transgenderism, they don't understand what it involves. As parents, putting your child through puberty is cruelty if they legitimately are trans. It's abuse.
It's attitudes of people calling these developing children freaks and invalidating them, that's causing more damage.
And finally, in a sane society, this needs to be recognized as legitimate on a case by case basis, and include regular therapy for many, many years, be seen by multiple psychological and medical professionals, and not just be indulged based on a parental whim. Denying your child's development and forcing them through puberty, is one of the single most harmful things that can be prevented for a trans person.
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Post by Flying Monkeys on Oct 26, 2019 19:08:47 GMT
Speaking only for myself, I am not saying 7 year old children must begin transitioning if they think they're a different gender. I AM saying, with conviction, that if you know your child well enough, you know the difference between authenticity year after year after year, and theatrics. That's all fine, but I think there's a very real possibility here that it is the parent who is convincing the child that they should be of the opposite gender, which is also abuse. How can we be certain that is not the case? |
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Post by Joc Spader on Oct 26, 2019 19:18:10 GMT
A quick take. Bam! 💥
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Post by yggdrasil on Oct 26, 2019 19:52:53 GMT
Speaking only for myself, I am not saying 7 year old children must begin transitioning if they think they're a different gender. I AM saying, with conviction, that if you know your child well enough, you know the difference between authenticity year after year after year, and theatrics. That's all fine, but I think there's a very real possibility here that it is the parent who is convincing the child that they should be of the opposite gender, which is also abuse. How can we be certain that is not the case? Isn't that why you get a whole load of experts in the field involved? It's a truly difficult issue that we are only just beginning to understand, in the past many of these kids would have lead lives of misery or indulge in self harm and even in extreme cases, suicide. Baby steps need to be taken, but we must avoid the splenetic name calling you sometimes see from those who refuse to accept this condition even exists. |
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Post by Harold of Whoa on Oct 26, 2019 20:27:48 GMT
The father has a video of the child saying "Mommy tells me I'm a girl". The father is not an expert but is infinitely more trustworthy because he has a biological stake in doing what's best for his child rather than a financial stake in doing what is best for the pharmaceutical companies. I hate to break it to you, but if you are going to go down that road I am afraid the father has a financial stake in fighting against gender reassignment - because they are in divorce court and his child support will be affected by medical costs. The most cynical of the rainbow jihadis have already suggested this as one of his ulterior motives, along with being gender-normative patriarchal scum. I am not saying I think that is part of his motivation, but he has in fact made statements about not wanting to pay for this, so.... |
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Post by Harold of Whoa on Oct 26, 2019 21:03:35 GMT
Speaking only for myself, I am not saying 7 year old children must begin transitioning if they think they're a different gender. I AM saying, with conviction, that if you know your child well enough, you know the difference between authenticity year after year after year, and theatrics. If one doesn't even believe in transgenderism, they don't understand what it involves. As parents, putting your child through puberty is cruelty if they legitimately are trans. It's abuse. It's attitudes of people calling these developing children freaks and invalidating them, that's causing more damage. And finally, in a sane society, this needs to be recognized as legitimate on a case by case basis, and include regular therapy for many, many years, be seen by multiple psychological and medical professionals, and not just be indulged based on a parental whim. Denying your child's development and forcing them through puberty, is one of the single most harmful things that can be prevented for a trans person. The problem with what you are saying, IMHO, is that the light-speed politicization of transgender issues is almost wholly destructive to the kind of measured, thoughtful and humane approach that would be called for to properly care for the significantly less than one percent of the population who are legitimately born as transexual under the primitive medical definitions of FIVE GODDAM YEARS AGO. Making the issue a civil rights cause ruins everything. Making transgender people a lauded, cheered-for, catered-to class of ultra-chic victims in the intersectionality milieu is the literal kiss of death for John and Johann Everyparent to be in a position to "know your child well enough, you know the difference between authenticity year after year after year, and theatrics." Many will do it right (as has always been done, by the way, even in the face of stigmatization), but far too many will be pushed into cultivating aberration rather than nurturing their child through various stages and phases in a helpful way. When John and Johanna see people getting cheered at political rallies for stating their pronouns, way too many of them are going to start pushing their child into believing they are extra special if they want to be a different gender. If you are truly and deeply sympathetic over the torment that legitimate trans kids who are compelled to stay in their 'wrong' bodies may suffer, then just the simple mathematics of millions of social-media-absorbed modern parents pushing their 'normal' kids into gender reassignment should distress you many orders of magnitude more. |
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Post by Flying Monkeys on Oct 26, 2019 21:06:38 GMT
Isn't that why you get a whole load of experts in the field involved? The problem with experts is that some of them are just trying to make a name for themselves in a field and are experimenting on people. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2019 21:19:45 GMT
Isn't that why you get a whole load of experts in the field involved? The problem with experts is that some of them are just trying to make a name for themselves in a field and are experimenting on people. Remember the popularity of multiple personality disorder in the 80s? Psychiatrists love inventing new mental illness that can make their name, and the media love popularising them. It's numbers massively increased in the 80s and 90s (while the media were interested) then it fell away quite significantly. This issue also happens to be the first that the woke can lay claim to (smash the system comrade) which only increases its prevalence. We won't see the true consequences of this for another thirty years. Those currently pandering to it will all claim they were against it from the beginning. The notion that you can change gender is fucking ludicrous.
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