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Post by ayatollah on Apr 28, 2024 22:08:54 GMT
AfD is basically the legal version of the Nazi party as the latter has been outlawed in Germany. Any germans can confirm? notoriousnobbiIt would be one step too far to claim that the AfD is a Nazi party in general... yet. It had started as an anti-Euro party and has been hijacked by more and more rightwing radicals in the meantime. You can measure how radical it is by having a look at who left it in the meantime bc it became too radical to them: Lucke, Petry, Junge, ... And now the situation in the different federal states is different: in some states the AfD is too torn inside to become a danger, in others it is only one step away of becoming a Nazi party. ayatollahYour simplified way of how to determine whether a party is a Nazi party is... not really helpful. It's better than your way, "Everyone I don't like us a Nazi". Personally I think it's overused and lazy, but if you must call someone a Nazi, meet 3 requirements: 1) They want to take away basic rights en masse and/or without trial. 2) They use government to target political opponents 3) They want to invade or control other nations for their resources.
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Post by CrepedCrusader on Apr 28, 2024 22:12:17 GMT
Good to see the "Literal Nazis" teaming up with their old allies, the Communists and the Russians..... They are loyal to whoever will help them succeed, and Russia has ample reason to help anti-democratic parties in the West succeed. Here in the States, the GOP went from "Russia is out greatest enemy, and Obama is too pussy to fight them" to "I love Putin!!!" in the space of four years, i.e. from 2012 to 2016.
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Post by notoriousnobbi on Apr 28, 2024 23:15:57 GMT
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Post by notoriousnobbi on Apr 29, 2024 6:29:14 GMT
ayatollahDemonizing disabled people is a marker for pushing the boundaries towards Nazism You didn't mention (though one could argue it is covered by your first criteria) Here's a brand new example UN slams Tories for 'demonising' disabled people as policies say they're 'undeserving citizens'www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/un-slams-tories-demonising-disabled-32397181.ampIf I was a disabled person in the UK I would protest against their plans of leaving the ECHR without showing plans what replaces it.
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Post by furor teutonicus on Apr 29, 2024 6:42:00 GMT
It would be one step too far to claim that the AfD is a Nazi party in general... yet. It had started as an anti-Euro party and has been hijacked by more and more rightwing radicals in the meantime. You can measure how radical it is by having a look at who left it in the meantime bc it became too radical to them: Lucke, Petry, Junge, ... And now the situation in the different federal states is different: in some states the AfD is too torn inside to become a danger, in others it is only one step away of becoming a Nazi party. ayatollah Your simplified way of how to determine whether a party is a Nazi party is... not really helpful. It's better than your way, "Everyone I don't like us a Nazi". Personally I think it's overused and lazy, but if you must call someone a Nazi, meet 3 requirements: 1) They want to take away basic rights en masse and/or without trial. 2) They use government to target political opponents 3) They want to invade or control other nations for their resources. And that is exactly the problem with american politics, the culture war you can keep for yourself.
"DEFINITIONS AND FACTS? NOT FOR ME!!! MY OPINION OVER EVERYTHING"
That is exactly why some people say it is their definition that being white is enough for being a racist. You reap what you sow and you are no different here, you randomly pull oppinionated definitions out of your ass, like most americans.
Discussion on such a silly basis is usually not gonna work with most non US people.
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Post by notoriousnobbi on Apr 29, 2024 7:44:25 GMT
"DEFINITIONS AND FACTS? NOT FOR ME!!! MY OPINION OVER EVERYTHING" We are guilty as well... To be completely honest: at the very moment I would like to ask every German journalist, politician, spin doctor to openly declare which definition of antisemitism he uses in case he uses the word "antisemitic"...
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Post by furor teutonicus on Apr 29, 2024 7:53:17 GMT
"DEFINITIONS AND FACTS? NOT FOR ME!!! MY OPINION OVER EVERYTHING" We are guilty as well... To be completely honest: at the very moment I would like to ask every German journalist, politician, spin doctor to openly declare which definition of antisemitism he uses in case he uses the word "antisemitic"... True, but that has a little bit to do with our history. Are we "overreacting" sometimes when issue related to antisemitism are debated? Sure we are, but it's no different with the US and the history of blacks, and that is perfectly okay as long as it is within non-extremistic borders, which it isn't in both cases if you put it in context.
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Post by ayatollah on Apr 29, 2024 10:36:20 GMT
It's better than your way, "Everyone I don't like us a Nazi". Personally I think it's overused and lazy, but if you must call someone a Nazi, meet 3 requirements: 1) They want to take away basic rights en masse and/or without trial. 2) They use government to target political opponents 3) They want to invade or control other nations for their resources. And that is exactly the problem with american politics, the culture war you can keep for yourself.
"DEFINITIONS AND FACTS? NOT FOR ME!!! MY OPINION OVER EVERYTHING"
That is exactly why some people say it is their definition that being white is enough for being a racist. You reap what you sow and you are no different here, you randomly pull oppinionated definitions out of your ass, like most americans.
Discussion on such a silly basis is usually not gonna work with most non US people.
Yeah America sucks, so you need AfD to reduce American influence and keep Germany German.
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Post by notoriousnobbi on Apr 29, 2024 11:05:52 GMT
Yeah America sucks, so you need AfD to reduce American influence and keep Germany German. It's more like America in some parts seems to be more and more attracted towards autocracy a la Putin. The AfD is copying that and let inspire itself also by some culture war wizardry coming from Steve Bannon's kitchen. (by the way: I know that at least one American think tank is so honest to speak of 'Transatlantic Culture Wars'). But back to the AfD - one also has to have a look at where they are recruiting their co-workers from: AfD im Bundestag beschäftigt mehr als 100 Rechtsextreme www.br.de/presse/inhalt/pressemitteilungen/afd-recherche-bundestag-mitarbeitende-rechtsextrem-100.htmlFeel free to translate it for yourself.
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