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Post by yggdrasil on Dec 16, 2019 15:58:25 GMT
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Post by Flying Monkeys on Jan 3, 2020 17:18:33 GMT
If it looks like it was painted with a trowel, it's Van Gogh: |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2020 17:49:21 GMT
If it looks like it was painted with a trowel, it's Van Gogh: Tell us more about art, Monkey. I'm intrigued by your ideas. |
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Post by yggdrasil on Jan 4, 2020 10:55:20 GMT
If it looks like it was painted with a trowel, it's Van Gogh: Isn't the whole art market to some extent a con? it's just about who becomes fashionable and who the keepers of the taste "tell" us are "masters"? I mean, out of the above I wouldn't buy any from a jumble sale for a tenner although I think the one on the left is nice if done by a talented 12 year old. It's only the knowledge of the artist that makes us ooh and aah most of the time. If your kid drew the one in the middle you'd take it off the fridge if guests were coming round. |
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Post by Flying Monkeys on Jan 4, 2020 12:40:08 GMT
Isn't the whole art market to some extent a con? it's just about who becomes fashionable and who the keepers of the taste "tell" us are "masters"? I mean, out of the above I wouldn't buy any from a jumble sale for a tenner although I think the one on the left is nice if done by a talented 12 year old. It's only the knowledge of the artist that makes us ooh and aah most of the time. If your kid drew the one in the middle you'd take it off the fridge if guests were coming round. I've got a decent sized print of Starry Night - it's very nice, albeit in cold colours which means I appreciate it as it is a beautiful scene but do not feel it. However, The Seedsower is absolutely magnificent - my favourite painting of all. The vibrancy of the colours and the way he gives the sunlight a physical weight, adding to its warming strength, through the brushstrokes is absolutely marvellous. You feel the sun coming off this painting. One on the right is shit. |
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Post by yggdrasil on Jan 4, 2020 13:59:46 GMT
Isn't the whole art market to some extent a con? it's just about who becomes fashionable and who the keepers of the taste "tell" us are "masters"? I mean, out of the above I wouldn't buy any from a jumble sale for a tenner although I think the one on the left is nice if done by a talented 12 year old. It's only the knowledge of the artist that makes us ooh and aah most of the time. If your kid drew the one in the middle you'd take it off the fridge if guests were coming round. I've got a decent sized print of Starry Night - it's very nice, albeit in cold colours which means I appreciate it as it is a beautiful scene but do not feel it. However, The Seedsower is absolutely magnificent - my favourite painting of all. The vibrancy of the colours and the way he gives the sunlight a physical weight, adding to its warming strength, through the brushstrokes is absolutely marvellous. You feel the sun coming off this painting. One on the right is shit. "The vibrancy of the colours and the way he gives the sunlight a physical weight, adding to its warming strength, through the brushstrokes is absolutely marvellous. You feel the sun coming off this painting." Yeah, that's the sort of bollo they always come out with, you got 'em down to a tee. Now this is a painting....  Doesn't look like it was done by someone in special needs class. |
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Post by Flying Monkeys on Jan 4, 2020 14:17:08 GMT
Seriously? You think the reasons someone likes something is bollocks? Why? Please explain why you like it in terms which you do not deem to be 'bollo'. |
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Post by yggdrasil on Jan 4, 2020 15:26:19 GMT
Seriously? You think the reasons someone likes something is bollocks? Why? Please explain why you like it in terms which you do not deem to be 'bollo'. It was meant jokingly but there is an inherent snobbishness in the ways these people refer to things that shall we say most people would refer to as lesser paintings, in more controversial styles. As you yourself jokingly state, it looks like it was put on with a trowel. I think there is often a tendency for people to see things or say things because they have been "told" something is a masterpiece and that we should be able to appreciate that if we were truly cultured when sometimes, if the Emperor isn't exactly naked, nor is he wearing a lot of clothes. Not saying that is what you are doing of course just that I myself am quaintly old fashioned and prefer paintings to vaguely approximate the thing they are supposed to represent. I do love Caravaggio's work for that reason although of course he also lead such a wonderfully interesting life. |
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Post by Flying Monkeys on Jan 4, 2020 16:55:25 GMT
As you yourself jokingly state, it looks like it was put on with a trowel. Jokingly? I love it! Fair enough, but that seems to be missing so much opportunity for the artist to add their creativity (or impression) to it. I'm the opposite to you - the realistic stuff bores me while impressionism, post-impressionism and their later derivatives I find fascinating. Same with my photography - I'm not so interested in what is there, it's more about what I see to be there. You still didn't say why you liked the painting you chose. |
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Post by yggdrasil on Jan 4, 2020 17:25:45 GMT
As you yourself jokingly state, it looks like it was put on with a trowel. Jokingly? I love it! Fair enough, but that seems to be missing so much opportunity for the artist to add their creativity (or impression) to it. I'm the opposite to you - the realistic stuff bores me while impressionism, post-impressionism and their later derivatives I find fascinating. Same with my photography - I'm not so interested in what is there, it's more about what I see to be there. You still didn't say why you liked the painting you chose. Because I'm taken with it. At the end of the day that's the reason why we like anything in any field, I could make up some gobbledygook but at the end of the day I just like it and that's good enough for me. |
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Post by Flying Monkeys on Jan 4, 2020 21:08:32 GMT
Because I'm taken with it. At the end of the day that's the reason why we like anything in any field, I could make up some gobbledygook but at the end of the day I just like it and that's good enough for me. It's a bit sad if you can't explain what it is you like about it. I am happy that I am able to. I guess that makes me 'a step above' those who can't. |
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Post by yggdrasil on Jan 5, 2020 10:44:27 GMT
Because I'm taken with it. At the end of the day that's the reason why we like anything in any field, I could make up some gobbledygook but at the end of the day I just like it and that's good enough for me. It's a bit sad if you can't explain what it is you like about it. I am happy that I am able to. I guess that makes me 'a step above' those who can't. Good for you, well done. |
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Post by Flying Monkeys on Jan 5, 2020 11:02:09 GMT
Yes, I am proud to be an utter snob in this matter and I guess that makes you a complete man on the street. |
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Post by Colin Sibthorpe on Jan 12, 2020 3:59:32 GMT
I always used to think of modern art in general and Picasso in particular as complete garbage. But then I saw some early Picasso that was accurate representational art of high quality - from which it followed that the weird stuff with noses in armpits and so on had been done that way on purpose. Maybe the fault was with me, and maybe I should be grateful to anyone who tried to tell me what he felt but I did not.
The main thing with Van Gogh, originals rather than prints or screen images, is that it's arrestingly, engagingly beautiful, but it's no bad thing to hear Monkeys's more detailed thoughts. Can't agree the portrait is "shit," though.
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Post by Flying Monkeys on Jan 12, 2020 9:49:49 GMT
Maybe the fault was with me, Thing about art is there is no right or wrong and therefore no 'fault' at all. If you don't like it, you don't like it. The only thing that matters for me about anything in the field of art (or wider entertainment) is "how does it make you feel?" For me, that's all that matters, regardless of what it is. So if it causes a reaction in you, great, if not, move on, even if everyone else says it's fantastic and you're wrong and blah blah. That is ultimately what is fascinating about art - you can get a million different opinions from a million people. Maths, on the other hand, has only 1 right answer. That is very useful in some ways, but also totally boring in others. I love both maths and art, but for diametrically opposite reasons. Can't agree the portrait is "shit," though. And that's another thing I like about art - not just how it makes me feel, but understanding what others think as well to see what I'm missing out on. |
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