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Post by ayatollah on Dec 24, 2017 1:09:39 GMT
This is supposed to be a song about rape now?
It's a classic Christmas duet where a male singer tries to get the female to stay the night with him, he keeps coming up with reasons for her to stay and she keeps coming up with reasons to go.
When did persuasion become force? If a guy trying to persuade a girl to have sex is rape, then would collecting donations for charity be robbery?
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Post by movieliker on Dec 24, 2017 2:00:29 GMT
This is supposed to be a song about rape now? It's a classic Christmas duet where a male singer tries to get the female to stay the night with him, he keeps coming up with reasons for her to stay and she keeps coming up with reasons to go. When did persuasion become force? If a guy trying to persuade a girl to have sex is rape, then would collecting donations for charity be robbery? It is so easy to get laid these days, if you have to persuade a woman to have sex, you are wasting your time with her. There are many more women out there who won't have to be persuaded. Just dump her and move on. To answer your question, no it is not rape to persist in trying to convince a woman "to stay the night". It could be construed as sexual harassment if she is being held against her will. But if she is free to leave --- although pathetic --- it is not illegal. |
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Post by OffTheBoatPsycho on Dec 24, 2017 2:35:06 GMT
This is supposed to be a song about rape now? It's a classic Christmas duet where a male singer tries to get the female to stay the night with him, he keeps coming up with reasons for her to stay and she keeps coming up with reasons to go. When did persuasion become force? If a guy trying to persuade a girl to have sex is rape, then would collecting donations for charity be robbery? The goalposts have been moved with all this kind of stuff. Trying to persuade a female to stay the night might have been harmless and normal and we know females like this kind of stuff and play hard to get but these days it is sexual harassment. Long days gone when your father tells of how he had to ask out your mother a dozen before she agreed to a date and my o my wasn't that the cutest story. Now children will be wondering why their mother never got a restraining order. |
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Post by Harold of Whoa on Dec 24, 2017 2:59:18 GMT
Hey, if "White Christmas" is an alt-right racist anthem, then "Baby, It's Cold Outside" is definitely on the way out.
Quick, boring story:
Until a couple of years ago, my son took piano from the same teacher who also taught voice to some young aspiring musical theater-type kids. For over a decade, every single Winter Recital (which obviously I attended to hear my son play) would feature a different pair of her students doing that as a duet. It got more uncomfortable with each passing year. I wonder if she still has them do it.
The real problem with the song is that it is a duet of two people expressing outwardly opposing ideas, but with subtext that they both want the same thing though neither is allowed by societal norms to say so. Once those subtextual morays are wiped away, the whole concept collapses and becomes open to new interpretation under the new social code, so pretty much that means it's a date rape song today.
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Post by OffTheBoatPsycho on Dec 24, 2017 3:09:34 GMT
This is supposed to be a song about rape now? It's a classic Christmas duet where a male singer tries to get the female to stay the night with him, he keeps coming up with reasons for her to stay and she keeps coming up with reasons to go. When did persuasion become force? If a guy trying to persuade a girl to have sex is rape, then would collecting donations for charity be robbery? It is so easy to get laid these days, if you have to persuade a woman to have sex, you are wasting your time with her. There are many more women out there who won't have to be persuaded. Just dump her and move on. To answer your question, no it is not rape to persist in trying to convince a woman "to stay the night". It could be construed as sexual harassment if she is being held against her will. But if she is free to leave --- although pathetic --- it is not illegal. Wonder how many of the hundreds of thousands of love songs out there that could be over analyzed and today be seen as sexual harassment. I'd bet tons. |
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Post by OffTheBoatPsycho on Dec 24, 2017 3:13:51 GMT
Hey, if "White Christmas" is an alt-right racist anthem, then "Baby, It's Cold Outside" is definitely on the way out. Quick, boring story: Until a couple of years ago, my son took piano from the same teacher who also taught voice to some young aspiring musical theater-type kids. For over a decade, every single Winter Recital (which obviously I attended to hear my son play) would feature a different pair of her students doing that as a duet. It got more uncomfortable with each passing year. I wonder if she still has them do it. The real problem with the song is that it is a duet of two people expressing outwardly opposing ideas, but with subtext that they both want the same thing though neither is allowed by societal norms to say so. Once those subtextual morays are wiped away, the whole concept collapses and becomes open to new interpretation under the new social code, so pretty much that means it's a date rape song today. 'Jingle Bells' could be soon gone. www.foxnews.com/us/2017/12/15/jingle-bells-rooted-in-racism-boston-university-professor-says.html |
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Post by ayatollah on Dec 24, 2017 3:59:24 GMT
Hey, if "White Christmas" is an alt-right racist anthem, then "Baby, It's Cold Outside" is definitely on the way out. Quick, boring story: Until a couple of years ago, my son took piano from the same teacher who also taught voice to some young aspiring musical theater-type kids. For over a decade, every single Winter Recital (which obviously I attended to hear my son play) would feature a different pair of her students doing that as a duet. It got more uncomfortable with each passing year. I wonder if she still has them do it. The real problem with the song is that it is a duet of two people expressing outwardly opposing ideas, but with subtext that they both want the same thing though neither is allowed by societal norms to say so. Once those subtextual morays are wiped away, the whole concept collapses and becomes open to new interpretation under the new social code, so pretty much that means it's a date rape song today. So the new social code is that you can't persuade anyone to have sex with you cause if you do it rape. By that logic I've raped my wife a hundred times. |
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Post by ayatollah on Dec 24, 2017 4:01:00 GMT
Hey, if "White Christmas" is an alt-right racist anthem, then "Baby, It's Cold Outside" is definitely on the way out. Quick, boring story: Until a couple of years ago, my son took piano from the same teacher who also taught voice to some young aspiring musical theater-type kids. For over a decade, every single Winter Recital (which obviously I attended to hear my son play) would feature a different pair of her students doing that as a duet. It got more uncomfortable with each passing year. I wonder if she still has them do it. The real problem with the song is that it is a duet of two people expressing outwardly opposing ideas, but with subtext that they both want the same thing though neither is allowed by societal norms to say so. Once those subtextual morays are wiped away, the whole concept collapses and becomes open to new interpretation under the new social code, so pretty much that means it's a date rape song today. So the new social code is that you can't persuade anyone to have sex with you cause if you do it rape. By that logic I've raped my wife a hundred times. It truly is a war on our culture, our identity, it's just one little element at a time though so nobody recognizes it. |
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Post by Harold of Whoa on Dec 24, 2017 4:46:34 GMT
It truly is a war on our culture, our identity, it's just one little element at a time though so nobody recognizes it. I wouldn't say "nobody recognizes it," but too few. And, of course the ultimate problem is that it becomes irreversible with really small numbers - 15% pushing the agenda, 40% apathetic or afraid to make waves, and the process advances. Then the succeeding generations don't ever even have contact with what has been left behind. |
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Post by movieliker on Dec 24, 2017 6:37:37 GMT
It is so easy to get laid these days, if you have to persuade a woman to have sex, you are wasting your time with her. There are many more women out there who won't have to be persuaded. Just dump her and move on. To answer your question, no it is not rape to persist in trying to convince a woman "to stay the night". It could be construed as sexual harassment if she is being held against her will. But if she is free to leave --- although pathetic --- it is not illegal. Wonder how many of the hundreds of thousands of love songs out there that could be over analyzed and today be seen as sexual harassment. I'd bet tons. Yeah sure, if you don't know what you are talking about. I know just by these message boards many guys don't know what sexual harassment is. |
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Post by Flying Monkeys on Dec 24, 2017 11:31:39 GMT
It is so easy to get laid these days, if you have to persuade a woman to have sex, you are wasting your time with her. There are many more women out there who won't have to be persuaded. I disagree - the persuasion, or 'chase' (not a literal chase, I do not chase women through the woods) is all part of the fun and excitement. "Something given has no value" - much more satisfying if you have to work for it. |
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Post by movieliker on Dec 24, 2017 12:49:13 GMT
It is so easy to get laid these days, if you have to persuade a woman to have sex, you are wasting your time with her. There are many more women out there who won't have to be persuaded. I disagree - the persuasion, or 'chase' (not a literal chase, I do not chase women through the woods) is all part of the fun and excitement. "Something given has no value" - much more satisfying if you have to work for it. I agree. But up to what point? After too long it is best to cut bait and recast. Sometimes no means no. |
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Post by ayatollah on Dec 24, 2017 15:50:43 GMT
I disagree - the persuasion, or 'chase' (not a literal chase, I do not chase women through the woods) is all part of the fun and excitement. "Something given has no value" - much more satisfying if you have to work for it. I agree. But up to what point? After too long it is best to cut bait and recast. Sometimes no means no. With my wife it's the point where she leaves or physically blocks me. If she says "Not tonight" but doesn't move as I push her hair away from her neck, I'm getting some. A lot of the time when she says "no" she means "not right now" because she likes the build up at least as much as actual fucking. She wants me to "do that some more" and do this more". If she leaves the room, it's over. Unless she comes back naked with a beer, which she does from time to time. But keep in mind, I'm talking about my wife, a woman I know very well. If you're trying to fuck some chick you just met, I'd advise more caution. |
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Post by Flying Monkeys on Dec 24, 2017 16:17:32 GMT
If she leaves the room, it's over. Unless she comes back naked with a beer, which she does from time to time. I went on a date with a girl from Vancouver, in Vancouver. I was 39, she was 32 I think and everything still pointed in the right direction and was firm. Anyway, I had started yapping to her late one evening after the pubs had thrown out, and managed to get her number and a date for the next weekend. Anyway (again), end of the date she left the room in heels and the little black cocktail dress, which she was poured into perfectly, I mean instant erection time, and came back into the room as saucy cheerleader - white cowboy boots, short short short mini-skirt, bust-out top, leather jacket and cowboy hat. Oh boy. There's only one way that was heading. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2017 18:05:02 GMT
This is supposed to be a song about rape now? It's a classic Christmas duet where a male singer tries to get the female to stay the night with him, he keeps coming up with reasons for her to stay and she keeps coming up with reasons to go. When did persuasion become force? If a guy trying to persuade a girl to have sex is rape, then would collecting donations for charity be robbery? It is so easy to get laid these days, if you have to persuade a woman to have sex, you are wasting your time with her. There are many more women out there who won't have to be persuaded. Just dump her and move on. This is something a man with little experience of women would say. There is a thrill to the antagonistic nature of sex that both men and women enjoy. Women enjoy it when men show how aggressively they want their woman. The push and pull is part of the excitement and the notion that no ALWAYS means no is the most delusional narrative of recent years. It doesn't always mean no. The other day, I came home from work and started kissing my girlfriend. She started pushing me off and saying no. I then said... okay fine, forget it. She then laughed because we both knew she wanted me to fuck her and it was funny because I called her bluff. No can mean a million things. |
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