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Post by movieliker on Jan 2, 2018 7:20:40 GMT
Impossible. They are already in Europe and America. Can't kick them out. 1-for-1 exchange could do it. The problem is, they don't want to leave our countries. Exchange with what? Nobody wants to go there. |
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Post by movieliker on Jan 2, 2018 7:22:04 GMT
The problem no one wants to address is the Human population on this planet. Fun fact: The human population has more than doubled during my lifetime. Most of this growth comes from peoples who can't even feed themselves in the first place. So we feed them.... You even feed a stray cat? This rate of growth is not sustainable. Those people can work. If people would invest in them, they could work. |
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Post by movieliker on Jan 2, 2018 7:35:43 GMT
No. That is why we don't have the problems Europe has with Arab refugees. The Arab refugees here are vetted and prepared for life in America. Eh. I think its distance. Poor downtrodden refugees end up in Europe, but their rickety boats, bars of soap, whatever water craft they got, won't make it across the Atlantic. So we (until recently) gotten the upper crust doctors and entrepreneurs. It is not the distance. It is the vetting and the preparation by a American immigration officials of the Arab immigrants. |
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Post by Flying Monkeys on Jan 2, 2018 12:49:33 GMT
1-for-1 exchange could do it. The problem is, they don't want to leave our countries. Exchange with what? Nobody wants to go there. We send one of theirs back, they send one of ours back. Sure, they don't want to go back there, but tough. |
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Post by movieliker on Jan 2, 2018 17:21:33 GMT
Exchange with what? Nobody wants to go there. We send one of theirs back, they send one of ours back. Sure, they don't want to go back there, but tough. None of ours are over there. |
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Post by Flying Monkeys on Jan 2, 2018 18:04:29 GMT
None of ours are over there. Huh? There're loads of westerners in the middle east. |
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Post by movieliker on Jan 2, 2018 18:12:02 GMT
None of ours are over there. Huh? There're loads of westerners in the middle east. But they are not being held against their will. |
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Post by Flying Monkeys on Jan 2, 2018 18:24:26 GMT
But they are not being held against their will. What's that got to do with it? I'm just suggesting a way that we leave them alone and they leave us alone. Step 1 is we clear out of each other's places. Such as an exchange programme - if they bugger off, we'll bugger off. |
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Post by eastenn on Jan 2, 2018 18:30:14 GMT
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Post by movieliker on Jan 2, 2018 18:33:42 GMT
But they are not being held against their will. What's that got to do with it? I'm just suggesting a way that we leave them alone and they leave us alone. Step 1 is we clear out of each other's places. Such as an exchange programme - if they bugger off, we'll bugger off. Most of the Arab immigrants in Europe are not there as revenge for Europeans in the Middle East. They are not going to leave Europe on any kind of exchange program. |
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Post by Flying Monkeys on Jan 2, 2018 18:51:27 GMT
Most of the Arab immigrants in Europe are not there as revenge for Europeans in the Middle East. They are not going to leave Europe on any kind of exchange program. I know, but tough shit. It's what we should do. |
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Post by movieliker on Jan 2, 2018 18:58:24 GMT
Most of the Arab immigrants in Europe are not there as revenge for Europeans in the Middle East. They are not going to leave Europe on any kind of exchange program. I know, but tough shit. It's what we should do. No, what European countries should do is what the United States does. Work with the immigrants to find jobs, schools, housing and to assimilate into the local culture. And deport any who refuse to accept western values. |
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Post by slowcomingwarbird on Jan 2, 2018 19:11:15 GMT
The problem no one wants to address is the Human population on this planet. Fun fact: The human population has more than doubled during my lifetime. Most of this growth comes from peoples who can't even feed themselves in the first place. So we feed them.... You even feed a stray cat? This rate of growth is not sustainable. Now, now... Be careful what you wish for... Because you could just as easily be wishing that on yourself. Remember that what goes around comes around. That is part of the social contract that if you go around doing things to people then you can expect them to go around doing about the same to you. That is just how it is, that is human nature. So if you want to be treated nicely then you had better treat other people nicely. That may seem like a very juvenile way of putting it, however, it seems that most of the world these days doesn't really seem to understand that any other way. Think really carefully about how those words apply to the current situation around the world and especially to how the nations of the world treat each other. |
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Post by Flying Monkeys on Jan 2, 2018 19:44:58 GMT
No, what European countries should do is what the United States does. Work with the immigrants to find jobs, schools, housing and to assimilate into the local culture. And deport any who refuse to accept western values. Yes, we do all of that, but I think we have a group who are very different to yours. You get professionals like doctors and accountants. We mostly get uneducated, working class ones. This is because, historically, the UK recruited from muslim countries (pakistan, bangladesh) to fill our textile factories, so we got machine workers. They bred more of the same and brought their families over who were more of the same. Other countries, like France, have lots of north africans due to colonial history. Italy has lots of north africans due to colonialism and proximity to africa. Try as you might, too many just can't (or won't) learn. Too many are low IQ so will always be in poverty (blaming their host) and are full of religious nonsense, which teaches them NOT to assimilate. That last point is vital - they do NOT want to assimilate. Deportation for not accepting western values will never work, far too arbitrary. |
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Post by ebuzzmiller on Jan 3, 2018 1:54:50 GMT
No, what European countries should do is what the United States does. Work with the immigrants to find jobs, schools, housing and to assimilate into the local culture. And deport any who refuse to accept western values. Yes, we do all of that, but I think we have a group who are very different to yours. You get professionals like doctors and accountants. We mostly get uneducated, working class ones. This is because, historically, the UK recruited from muslim countries (pakistan, bangladesh) to fill our textile factories, so we got machine workers. They bred more of the same and brought their families over who were more of the same. Other countries, like France, have lots of north africans due to colonial history. Italy has lots of north africans due to colonialism and proximity to africa. Try as you might, too many just can't (or won't) learn. Too many are low IQ so will always be in poverty (blaming their host) and are full of religious nonsense, which teaches them NOT to assimilate. That last point is vital - they do NOT want to assimilate. Deportation for not accepting western values will never work, far too arbitrary. The elephant in the room here is why this used to happen before with immigrants and assimilation/melting plot and why it's being derailed now. |
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