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Post by Flying Monkeys on Jan 2, 2018 14:42:09 GMT
Imagine you are on a spaceship which is 24 light-hours from Earth. That is, light takes 24 hours to travel from Earth to your ship.
You are looking at Earth through a telescope and, of course, what you are seeing happened on Earth 24 hours ago.
Then you hit the thrusters and head back to Earth at (or close to) the speed of light, so it takes you 24 hours to get there.
During that period, 24 hours of time has passed on Earth, so 24 hours of light is sent out from Earth.
Now, when you started, there was already 24 hours of light between you and Earth, so during your journey, 48 hours' worth of light will have passed through your telescope.
So:
1. 24 hours has passed on Earth. 2. 24 hours has passed on your ship. 3. 48 hours has passed through your telescope.
So what I am seeing through the telescope will be a load of people moving at 2x their normal speed, like fast forwarding a film.
Hence, as I move towards something, it appears to be more quickly. (And as I move away from something, it will appear to be moving more slowly, to the extent that if I travel away from them at the speed of light, they will appear motionless.)
Question:
If someone is standing on Earth and looking at me waving at them through my ship's window, will I appear to be waving at normal speed, faster than normal, or slower than normal? (Note, this is imaginary, it has nothing to do with them being able to see me, it is just asking what speed time appears to be passing on the ship to an observer on Earth.)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2018 15:07:14 GMT
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Post by Flying Monkeys on Jan 2, 2018 15:22:52 GMT
I wasn't really expecting much of a contribution from you, so your post comes as no surprise. Sorry this stuff is beyond you.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2018 16:30:00 GMT
You're very sensitive, aren't you?
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Post by Flying Monkeys on Jan 2, 2018 17:06:47 GMT
You're very sensitive, aren't you? You upset me yesterday with your mean comments.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2018 17:25:32 GMT
You're very sensitive, aren't you? You upset me yesterday with your mean comments. I'm sorry. Here's a picture of a baby Dashy.
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Post by bartlesby on Jan 3, 2018 2:53:13 GMT
I'd think you'd both just see a white blur and couldn't make anything out.
Reminds me of this game called The Slower Speed of Light made by MIT that emulated the experience of the speed of light being slowed down.
Cool stuff.
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Post by Nightman on Jan 3, 2018 5:26:34 GMT
I think normal speed. But if someone on Earth is close enough to see me waving at then from a spaceship, that means I'm about to crash into them, so RIP to us both.
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Post by warlock on Jan 3, 2018 6:06:29 GMT
I don't really feel like analyzing this so I'll take a fast shot and say regular speed for the simple reasoning that they see me waving. If slower it would look to them as if I just had my hand up, if faster it would be a blur and wouldn't know I'm waving.
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Post by Flying Monkeys on Jan 3, 2018 13:00:35 GMT
I don't really feel like analyzing this so I'll take a fast shot and say regular speed for the simple reasoning that they see me waving. If slower it would look to them as if I just had my hand up, if faster it would be a blur and wouldn't know I'm waving. It's imaginary. It's just asking what speed time is passing on the ship. Doesn't matter if they can see you or not. I have clarified the question in the OP, thanks for pointing out the ambiguity of the question.
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Post by peachy on Jan 4, 2018 20:42:49 GMT
Slower.
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Post by Flying Monkeys on Jan 4, 2018 23:53:46 GMT
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Post by Flying Monkeys on Jan 5, 2018 19:47:41 GMT
Here's my answer. I don't know what the answer is (no-one does), but I have not read any physicists' answers to this, this is just what I work out:
When the ship is still, the person on Earth will see me as normal, but 24 hours ago.
When I hit the 'go' button, the ship will be moving as fast as the light coming off it. It will therefore build up a shock-wave of light, per the Doppler Effect, at the nose of the ship.
The person on Earth will see the preceding 24 hours of my life as normal, but they will not see me travelling - the ship will just appear out of nowhere in front of them.
That is because the 24 hours' worth of light that the ship gave off while it was travelling will pass their eye in an infinitesimal instant. So for an infinitesimal instant, I will be moving infinitely quickly. I will then just be there, out of nowhere.
This raises the question about the shock-wave of light. With sound, it's a sonic boom - seriously loud. Does this mean the shock-wave of light would be seriously bright - potentially blinding?
Extrapolate - if I travel faster than the speed of light, I will get to Earth before the light does. In other words, when I arrive I will be invisible to an observer for a very small amount of time.
Thoughts?
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Post by peachy on Jan 6, 2018 2:59:30 GMT
Yes, I think the light would be blinding for the reasons you said.
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Post by slowcomingwarbird on Feb 13, 2018 5:10:28 GMT
The person on the ship would appear to be red tinged and motionless. Light waves moving away would be stretched out, and thus appear red according to the "Relativistic Doppler Effect". Thus time itself would also be stretched out giving the motionless appearance when leaving. When returning, the observer on Earth would see two ships instead of just one because your ship will have arrived on Earth before it left that other point in space. When you travel at the speed of light you also travel through time.
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