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Post by movieliker on Jan 4, 2018 3:28:06 GMT
I think the Internet will speed up change in countries that are not democracies. Most of those countries want to control information. That will be hard to do with the presence of the Internet. Their populace will get angry once they find out how much better things are in free democracies. And if they have nothing to lose, they won't be afraid to risk it all for change. Indubitably. That's what's happening in Iran now. It's only a matter of time before the religious nuts are thrown out of government. Lets hope so. |
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Post by movieliker on Jan 4, 2018 3:30:24 GMT
I think the Internet will speed up change in countries that are not democracies. Most of those countries want to control information. That will be hard to do with the presence of the Internet. Their populace will get angry once they find out how much better things are in free democracies. And if they have nothing to lose, they won't be afraid to risk it all for change. Well yes, but it's also why the most authoritarian states censor or limit the internet to maintain it's position. It's kind of hard to censor or limit the Internet. |
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Post by Flying Monkeys on Jan 4, 2018 12:11:56 GMT
Well yes, but it's also why the most authoritarian states censor or limit the internet to maintain it's position. It's kind of hard to censor or limit the Internet. Not really, all you need to do is control the cables entering the country, or satellite signals for telcos. There aren't that many access points that you need to be in control of. China does a good job of censoring it and NK does a good job of blocking it completely. |
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Post by movieliker on Jan 4, 2018 16:23:15 GMT
It's kind of hard to censor or limit the Internet. Not really, all you need to do is control the cables entering the country, or satellite signals for telcos. There aren't that many access points that you need to be in control of. China does a good job of censoring it and NK does a good job of blocking it completely. And how do you keep someone from emailing, talking and texting somebody from outside the country? They are still going to be exposed to other ideas, opinions and viewpoints. And those others can provide links, or copy and paste. |
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Post by Flying Monkeys on Jan 4, 2018 17:57:30 GMT
And how do you keep someone from emailing, talking and texting somebody from outside the country? They are still going to be exposed to other ideas, opinions and viewpoints. And those others can provide links, or copy and paste. You block all internet traffic going to/coming from external hosts, and you block all phone calls to/from outside the country. It's not that difficult - NK and China achieve it easily as they control ISPs and telcos. |
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Post by movieliker on Jan 4, 2018 18:15:05 GMT
And how do you keep someone from emailing, talking and texting somebody from outside the country? They are still going to be exposed to other ideas, opinions and viewpoints. And those others can provide links, or copy and paste. You block all internet traffic going to/coming from external hosts, and you block all phone calls to/from outside the country. It's not that difficult - NK and China achieve it easily as they control ISPs and telcos. That is not going to work on the entire population. Some are still going to get through. And they will share their findings with others. And you don't think the rest of the population is going to realize their access is being blocked? That alone is going to breed contempt, anger, and protests. |
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Post by Flying Monkeys on Jan 4, 2018 18:35:27 GMT
That is not going to work on the entire population. Some are still going to get through. And they will share their findings with others. And you don't think the rest of the population is going to realize their access is being blocked? That alone is going to breed contempt, anger, and protests. Please explain how China and NK achieve it then. |
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Post by drtokyo on Jan 4, 2018 18:37:21 GMT
Yes absolutely, plus travel. This is why North Korea blocks internet access, doesn't allow its citizens to travel and severely restricts (and follows around) inbound travellers. This is how the USSR used to be. I remember when we saw inside for the first time and seeing the crappy Trabants and empty shops. It was like time travelling. You seem to be speaking of Russia in terms of "was" like you seem to think that Russia is no longer a problem. Yet you fail to see that Communism wasn't so much the issue as the fact that Russia never had an age of enlightenment and are still stuck in a medieval dark ages social mentality, which combined with modern technology is very dangerous to the rest of the world. You have the same sort of situation with North Korea and the entire middle east. Iraq, North Korea, and Russia are all under sanctions and are all running out of food. Those countries are becoming desperate enough to cooperate and trade supplies and technologies with each other towards the end of Iraq and North Korea becoming fully nuclear ICBM capable nations. There was no communism in the USSR. The freakin' name of the country defined itself as socialist. |
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Post by drtokyo on Jan 4, 2018 18:38:49 GMT
I think closed countries like Iran and other Arab kingdoms are in trouble. Because of the Internet, computers and smartphones. All these isolated ignorant citizens of these countries are now being exposed to the freedoms and opinions of the democratic west. They are not going to be happy hearing the lies of their governments. I believe the Arab Spring, and the protests in Russia and Iran are a result of modern technology. What do you think? The arab spring. LOLOLOLOL |
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Post by movieliker on Jan 4, 2018 18:41:07 GMT
That is not going to work on the entire population. Some are still going to get through. And they will share their findings with others. And you don't think the rest of the population is going to realize their access is being blocked? That alone is going to breed contempt, anger, and protests. Please explain how China and NK achieve it then. China is becoming more and more westernized everyday. North Korea is run by a brutal dictator that is the scourge of the world. And that who lives in paranoid fear of the entire planet every second. And --- who is at risk of assassination from inside and outside his country. North Korea is the exception. Not the rule. Most people in North Korea cannot afford a computer, a smartphone, or the Internet. Believe me, Kim Jung-un's days are numbered. That is no way to run a country. Whatever goes around, comes around. I would not want to be Kim Jung-un. |
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Post by movieliker on Jan 4, 2018 18:46:41 GMT
I think closed countries like Iran and other Arab kingdoms are in trouble. Because of the Internet, computers and smartphones. All these isolated ignorant citizens of these countries are now being exposed to the freedoms and opinions of the democratic west. They are not going to be happy hearing the lies of their governments. I believe the Arab Spring, and the protests in Russia and Iran are a result of modern technology. What do you think? The arab spring. LOLOLOLOL You live in your own little world DrTokyo. You rarely have anything constructive to contribute to the conversation. You usually have nothing more than snide, facetious, critical, ridiculing comments that only clarify how stupid and isolated you are. Notice how most people don't even bother to respond to your posts? |
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Post by Flying Monkeys on Jan 4, 2018 18:50:27 GMT
Please explain how China and NK achieve it then. China is becoming more and more westernized everyday. North Korea is run by a brutal dictator that is the scourge of the world. And that who lives in paranoid fear of the rest of the world every second. And --- who is at risk of assassination from inside and outside his country. North Korea is the exception. Not the rule. Most people in North Korea cannot afford a computer, a smartphone, or the Internet. So you accept that it is easy to block internet traffic and telco signals? Good, we are making progress. Ever heard of the Great Firewall of China? It's not a myth, one of my clients has to deal with it every day. NK has 5 million mobile phones (in a population of 25 million). Only a select few (government owned) can receive traffic. All others are internal only. |
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Post by movieliker on Jan 4, 2018 18:53:51 GMT
China is becoming more and more westernized everyday. North Korea is run by a brutal dictator that is the scourge of the world. And that who lives in paranoid fear of the rest of the world every second. And --- who is at risk of assassination from inside and outside his country. North Korea is the exception. Not the rule. Most people in North Korea cannot afford a computer, a smartphone, or the Internet. So you accept that it is easy to block internet traffic and telco signals? Good, we are making progress. Ever heard of the Great Firewall of China? It's not a myth, one of my clients has to deal with it every day. NK has 5 million mobile phones (in a population of 25 million). Only a select few (government owned) can receive traffic. All others are internal only. It appears you responded before I added this edit; "Believe me, Kim Jung-un's days are numbered. That is no way to run a country. Whatever goes around, comes around. I would not want to be Kim Jung-un."
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Post by Flying Monkeys on Jan 4, 2018 18:56:29 GMT
There was no communism in the USSR. The freakin' name of the country defined itself as socialist. Curiously run, however, by the Communist Party. Very strange. |
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Post by Flying Monkeys on Jan 4, 2018 19:02:00 GMT
"Believe me, Kim Jung-un's days are numbered. That is no way to run a country. Whatever goes around, comes around. I would not want to be Kim Jung-un."
Internal revolution or externally overthrown? I think the former. The current stand-off will fizzle out to a status quo and nothing will happen till the former occurs in the next 5 years. |
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