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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2022 23:32:48 GMT
Flying Monkeys (Flying/Monkeys , Isn't below the wall level the perspective of the soldier? As much as I respect Spielberg as a director, since he is brilliant in cinematography and really knows how to tell a story with pictures, I always hate the in-your-face morals. I miss Kubrick as a director a lot, you know. I love what people call "cold". I always wondered, what if we are all this cold and what if the histrionics is there to divert us from reality? Kubrick was brilliant at that. Monkeys, what did you make of joker? I thought he was a rat. And you, Dracula bartlesby and yggdrasil ? Joker has one of the best lines in the movie.
"I wanted to see exotic Vietnam... the crown jewel of Southeast Asia. I wanted to meet interesting and stimulating people of an ancient culture... and kill them."
It informs a lot about his character. The entire first half was about stripping away the humanity of the soldiers to turn them into killers. The goal of the military is to strip them down of their humanity through psychological and physical abuse so that they'll unquestioningly follow orders and function as an unthinking piece of war machinery.
Joker himself falls victim to it when he betrays Pyle, because despite Joker's initial intention to protect him, the system he's a part of makes Pyle's failures the responsibility of Joker and Pyle could not function within that system because he was incompetent. Joker saw himself as a good person, and he was largely a good person, but the system ultimately broke him down, just as it did with Pyle, and he complied with the order of the system because it was simply too powerful for him to overcome.
Yet Joker was never truly stripped of his humanity. Instead, he became cynical and used humor to deal with the contradiction of what brutality he was tasked with as a soldier and who he was as a thinking human being. He lost faith in humanity but never quite lost what made him human. That contradiction is entirely what his character is about. The peace sign on his military helmet isn't just a morbid joke or a bit of set dressing; it's symbolic of Joker's underlying humanity in a situation where there is no room for humanity. If it's a joke, it's a joke on everybody in the world when it comes to war.
Reducing him to being a "rat" kinda misses the point.
You know, they say, Joker says, speaks the duality of man. And what I accuse the character of is that his better angels never manage to win. Instead he lets himself go. I disagree with you on the cynical. Joker is also a coward. I don't think he often acts out of thought. Many times it's cowardice.
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Post by Joc Spader on Jan 15, 2022 0:41:22 GMT
I recognise him from the photos of Josey Wales, but not Deliverance. Thanks. That's funny that Kubrick was afraid of the man and saying it's the most terrifying scene ever put on film. This coming from the guy who directed Jack Torrence 7 years earlier...
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Post by Flying Monkeys (Flying/Monkeys on Jan 15, 2022 9:29:02 GMT
Flying Monkeys (Flying/Monkeys , Isn't below the wall level the perspective of the soldier? As much as I respect Spielberg as a director, since he is brilliant in cinematography and really knows how to tell a story with pictures, I always hate the in-your-face morals. I miss Kubrick as a director a lot, you know. I love what people call "cold". I always wondered, what if we are all this cold and what if the histrionics is there to divert us from reality? Kubrick was brilliant at that. Monkeys, what did you make of joker? I thought he was a rat. And you, Dracula bartlesby and yggdrasil ? I don't mind the perspective of a soldier when it's done for that reason, but to me, in this film, it's done to hide the surroundings. It's lazy film-making because he didn't like to travel, so he was happy to compromise his product. I would never do that.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2022 10:13:52 GMT
Flying Monkeys (Flying/Monkeys , Isn't below the wall level the perspective of the soldier? As much as I respect Spielberg as a director, since he is brilliant in cinematography and really knows how to tell a story with pictures, I always hate the in-your-face morals. I miss Kubrick as a director a lot, you know. I love what people call "cold". I always wondered, what if we are all this cold and what if the histrionics is there to divert us from reality? Kubrick was brilliant at that. Monkeys, what did you make of joker? I thought he was a rat. And you, Dracula bartlesby and yggdrasil ? I don't mind the perspective of a soldier when it's done for that reason, but to me, in this film, it's done to hide the surroundings. It's lazy film-making because he didn't like to travel, so he was happy to compromise his product. I would never do that. I don't see any compromise. What if the perspective that you accuse Kubrick of was not only the perspective of the soldier, but the perspective of everybody? Remember that scene where Joker meets Animal Mother? Remember all that fecal language? I often thought about that exchange and the entire scene. I suspect that it was Kubrick's way of saying Vietnam was a crappy business and after a while they were all full of shit because they had no clue.
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Post by yggdrasil on Jan 15, 2022 10:35:36 GMT
I rate FMJ with 9/10. Beats "Apocalypse Now". Never, Apocalypse Now is a classic. FMJ was filmed partly on the Isle Of Dogs in London though.
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Post by Flying Monkeys (Flying/Monkeys on Jan 15, 2022 10:39:11 GMT
I rate FMJ with 9/10. Beats "Apocalypse Now". Never, Apocalypse Now is a classic. FMJ was filmed partly on the Isle Of Dogs in London though. Beckton gas works.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2022 10:41:57 GMT
I rate FMJ with 9/10. Beats "Apocalypse Now". Never, Apocalypse Now is a classic. FMJ was filmed partly on the Isle Of Dogs in London though. FMJ is a classic, too. Why do you think it beats "Apocalypse Now"?
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Post by Flying Monkeys (Flying/Monkeys on Jan 15, 2022 10:42:36 GMT
I don't mind the perspective of a soldier when it's done for that reason, but to me, in this film, it's done to hide the surroundings. It's lazy film-making because he didn't like to travel, so he was happy to compromise his product. I would never do that. I don't see any compromise. Watch it again with what I have said in mind. Look out for the rubbish palm trees, the ruined buildings (where the sniper is) which are clearly built for the film and look totally unnatural, and the unrealistic view when we do get a higher view briefly. I'm not complaining about the script, just the sets.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2022 10:44:29 GMT
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Post by gwyn on Jan 15, 2022 12:03:20 GMT
The physical background, what you can see in the top of the frame, what's captured by the camera when it's angled up the least bit is fake, it's clearly not Da Nang and Huế, anywhere in Vietnam or even remotely like that part of the world. It looks fake, a shoddy looking impersonation of where it's actually supposed to be.
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Post by yggdrasil on Jan 15, 2022 12:12:08 GMT
Always thought Kubrick was a bit overrated. 2001 was his last great film.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2022 14:33:02 GMT
Always thought Kubrick was a bit overrated. 2001 was his last great film. Nope. He is rated just right. I love his complete lack of sentimentality. World needs more of that.
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Post by yggdrasil on Jan 15, 2022 14:58:05 GMT
Always thought Kubrick was a bit overrated. 2001 was his last great film. Nope. He is rated just right. I love his complete lack of sentimentality. World needs more of that. Yeah, but The shining has to be one of the all time most over rated films.
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Post by Flying Monkeys (Flying/Monkeys on Jan 15, 2022 15:26:35 GMT
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Post by the knife on Jan 15, 2022 18:29:14 GMT
*Kubrick fan checks in*
what's going awn here, bitches?
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